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submitted 3 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

So this has been annoying me lately; drivers leaving excessive spacing when stopped for a red light. I get it, you don't want to be right on the next guys bumper, you should leave space to escape if the guy in front stalls or somebody tries to carjack you. But 2-3 car lengths? It really bugs me when they do it in a left turn lane causing a back up to the travel lane resulting in overall congestion. Or, if they're first at the light, they don't pull up far enough to reach the road sensors that trigger a light change. I haven't been able to isolate to a specific demographic, seems to be young, old, black, white, you name it. Maybe they're just stoned at the wheel. I'm tempted to roll down my window and ask 'wtf'? I'm in the Northeast US. Has anybody else witnessed this?

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I leave a couple of feet between the front of my Miata or Wrangler and the next car ahead. I've been driving since the late 70s and this is the first I've heard of the "botton of the tires" rule of thumb. It wasn't taught back in the day (is it, widely, now?) and it doesn't make much sense to me since it's a function of the size and the shape and height of one's vehicle, which can vary greatly, whereas I know where my front bumper is and I can (usually) clearly see where the rear of the car in front of me is, and hence create the appropriate gap. Sure, I might leave more space if I'm on a steep hill and think the person in front might have a manual (another Miata for example) but that's rare.

Up until very recently people seemed to always keep just a couple of feet between cars at stops like I did. This business of "a car length or two" seems like a very new thing - the past 5 years mostly - and that led me to think it's some kind of stupid new internet cancer. Probably some "influencer" telling his/her audience that you should put your dominance on display at stoplights by pissing people off and preventing them from getting through intersections. Or putting your dominance and alpha-hood on display by blocking them from getting into the turn lane at all. Anything to get attention, anything to show that you're not (truly) a nobody, even when you are, because you have power!

I've only been rear-ended once in 45 years of driving. Being a d*ck on the road in order to (allegedly) absolutely f-ing MAXIMIZE your own self-perceived "safety" (from highly unlikely events) at the expense of everyone else is a totally modern-American sort of thing to do I guess. But I'm not doing it.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Tyres and tarmac!

[-] [email protected] 52 points 3 days ago

I got the advice once to make sure you can see the bottom of the tires in front of you. As a general rule, your turning radius tends to align with that. This falls apart with big trailers and snub nose trucks, but it's a good start.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago

I think this advice made more sense when the majority drove reasonably-sized vehicles rather than the huge trucks and SUVs that pollute our roads now (at least in North America).

I wouldn't be surprised if this bit of advice contributes to the problem in OP.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

That's likely true. I drive a little car, so it still makes sense for me

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

Thanks for not participating in the vehicular arms race!

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[-] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You should just be able to see the ground under the back tires of the car in front of you. That’s the appropriate distance.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago

Usually this is the result of distracted driving. At a stop light? Perfect time to check your phone! Once the light turns green I give a solid three count then I honk. I'll probably end up shot dead sooner than later but fuck it and fuck those assholes on their phones.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Once the light turns green I give a solid three count then I honk

In Ottawa it's a customary 4 picoseconds.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

In case of armed road rage, remember that your car is a weapon. It's self-defense if a gun is drawn on you.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

I usually flash my high beams first as a more gentle “look up” and then do the horn if they don’t notice that one

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I don't leave any space

I just ram them

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

...i try to leave enough space not to touch bumpers when the front car's suspension rocks back under acceleration...

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

I was taught this in driving school. If you’re the last car slowing down, leave a gap of a few car lengths so if a car behind you is going to hit you, it gives you some room to escape either to move up, or enough room to turn out of the lane.

That sounds like some kind of superhero fantasy to me. In what scenario am I about to be rear ended and have enough time to move my car safely?

I usually leave enough space that I could turn into another lane without having to reverse, so if the car in front of me stalls I can go around without too much fuss. That’s like half a car length at best.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

I agree it's highly unlikely. However, I've been rear-ended once, and my car got pushed forward the space of at least another car and a half, in spite of my panicked reflex of pressing the brakes as it happened. I didn't crash into anything because I was first on the lane, I got pushed into the intersection.

So yes, you can get rear-ended and the gap in front of you will save you in money and insurance claims bs time if you don't hit anyone in front as well as a result. It will make little difference regarding your ability to switch lanes though.

In saying that, I don't leave this massive space in front of me. I stick to the "see the next car's tyres" rule and if traffic is really packed (as during rush hour, when everyone crawls start stop) I sometimes reduce it to curb parking distance.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

On the other hand I had a guy get out of his Jaguar the other day and yell at me a while because I stopped too close to his bumper.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

I'd just be like "my bad dude" and pull a little bit closer after that. What a weenie.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

I turned up my music and ignored him because historically nothing good happens when someone gets out of their car in traffic and you bet your sweet ass I made sure our bumpers were almost touching next red light.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Are 'road sensors that trigger a light change' a real thing? I thought lights are on a timed cycle.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In the US I've noticed a difference between west coast and the rest of the country. West coast tends to use these circle bandsaws to cut circles into the pavement, everywhere else uses a circular saw to cut rectangles into the pavement. Either way, these are the things you want to be stopped right on top of, especially if you're on a side street or left turn where you might get skipped if it doesn't sense you. If you're on a motorcycle, try to scoot up a bit so a car can be on them. They probably won't sense a motorcycle.

https://www.drivingtests.co.nz/resources/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/induction-loop-traffic-lights-sensor.jpg

[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

There sometimes are induction loops under the street for this purpose: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_loop

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Video, radar, and infrared are also common. In some places I’ve been, only older non-upgraded intersections have induction loops.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

In Germany almost every traffic light has them nowadays. It can sometimes be annoying when you're riding a bike made of carbon. But usually my phone and laptop seem to be enough to trigger them.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I once ran a red light with my moped, made of steel, because the light never turned green

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