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[-] [email protected] 117 points 2 weeks ago

Always have been a police state, anti terrorism laws are ALWAYS used to silence 'dissident' voices

From 5 July 2025, it is an offence under the UK's Terrorism Act 2000 to be a member of Palestine Action,[7] fundraise for it,[8][9] wear or display items arousing reasonable suspicion of membership,[10] or if someone invites support or even "expresses an opinion or belief supportive of" Palestine Action "reckless as to whether a person to whom the expression is directed will be encouraged to support" it.[11] These offences carry a maximum penalty of up to 14 years in prison for membership or inviting support, and up to 6 months in prison or a fine for displaying supporting items.[7][10][11][9]

[-] [email protected] 38 points 2 weeks ago

Is Palestine Action a specific movement/group or is palestine Action literally just supporting Palestine? Asking from a non UK perspective.

[-] [email protected] 50 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's a specific group that recently broke into an RAF base and started mucking about with the aircraft, hence why the government aren't their biggest fans.

Shortly after they did this they were designated as a terrorist group by the home office which is why public support is an offence.

[-] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago

Their latest action was against the planes, but they have actually been extraordinarily successful at damaging the economic machine behind the genocide through targeted and sustained sabotage campaigns against Elbit Systems weapons manufacturer and their supporters, like Barclays Bank. They have already forced the closure of two weapons factories and forced Barclays to divest. It is most likely this sustained campaign that is the real reason for the terrorist designation, though the action at Brize Norton was probably the straw that broke the camel’s back.

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[-] [email protected] 82 points 2 weeks ago

Let's hope the UK citizens prove less cowardly than the US ones.

[-] [email protected] 100 points 2 weeks ago

You have a lot of trust in people who voted to isolate themselves from their biggest allies and trading partners just a couple years ago.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago

took me a minute before i realized the US only did that months ago instead of years

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The British haven't been too good at protesting in the near past

[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Arguably not in the recent past, but let us not forget that the suffragettes were very committed protesters. They did more than just organize symbolic protests though. They also carried out bombings and arson campaigns and one of them ended up cutting Winston Churchill's face with a dogwhip.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

X to doubt. The UK threw out due process a long time ago, wave the ‘terrorism’ tag and egregiously Orwellian policies become law:

  • Legalized warrantless arrest and imprisonment of suspects without trial or warrant for 28 days
  • Permits freezing of a suspects assets without trial
  • Allows unlimited imprisonment of foreigners suspected of terrorism without trial
  • Military police permitted to operate on UK soil openly, even for non terrorism reasons
  • TPIM orders without trial that permits electronic tagging, travel bans, limited house arrest, curfews and constant monitoring.

And all that’s before we even talk about the recent Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act nonsense.

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[-] [email protected] 58 points 2 weeks ago

As American, I’m always so glad to see our cousins across the water follow our inane footsteps. Cheers Brits!

[-] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago

Cross Atlantic solidarity against fascism 🤝

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Atleast we're in solidarity about being fucked off

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Brexit? They were first.

[-] [email protected] 55 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Fuck you, government. I do not respect your existence, and day by day, am losing respect for the laws you demand we follow. Fuck your rules.

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[-] [email protected] 52 points 2 weeks ago

Palestine action? Never heard of them. We support Action for Palestinian.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The People's Front of Judea?

No, The Judean People's Front.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4

[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
  • The people's front of Palestine AKA the Palestinians people's front AKA... The name changes will cease when the facists stop being facist
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[-] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago

US does police state better.

[-] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago

US is Judge Dredd.

UK is 1984.

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago

Does it different. In the US the violence is more up front. Here it's done through mechanisms of the state.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago
[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago

In Germany we are at a point where it's difficult to identity antisemitism became everyone who doesn't actively support the genocide in Gaza is called an antisemite

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Not to defend Germany, but given their relative size of prison populations, and number of citizens extra judicially killed by law enforcement. The US is, measurably, the worse of the two.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, it’s more sporadic in Germany, but because it’s less of a police state, they sometimes have to get creative. I don’t disagree that the US is measurably worse in basically all categories, but Germany’s not exactly good. It just goes to show that all cops are bastards.

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago

Even if they were trying to use this sort of rule with wholesome intentions, I'm not sure how targeting groups by name instead of deed makes sense. It's like doing a healthy diet by giving up Coca-Cola by name even though Pepsi and RC have the same nutritional profile and availability. Enjoy the Whack-a-mole game!

Taken to its logical conclusion, someone should start a pro-Palestinian squad and call it the Reform Party.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

The group in question broke onto an airbase and put a couple of RAF planes out of action. They crossed a red line for the government.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

Oh boy wait till you hear what the suffragettes were willing to do for another righteous cause, a bit over a century ago. I don't know man, maybe the government should start reexamining its policies if ordinary people among its citizens are willing to start breaking into airbase and damaging their own planes.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They were willing to commit mass murder in London and Dublin, and to assassinate the Prime Minister. Also deeply keen on removing all Jews from the House of Commons. Things that today would indeed mark them as a terrorist organisation.

Later, Emmeline Pankhurst would found a political party with the aim of requiring all civil servants to prove their racial purity back at least 3 generations, and many of the more prominent members of the WSPU became prominent members of the British fascist movement, several being detained as a precaution during the second European fuss.

As a campaign, the WSPU was an abject failure. It put women’s votes back a decade, and Pankhurst failed to ensure that working class women were excluded from the franchise (she also wanted working class men excluded).

It was only a cataclysm the scale of WWI, and the groundwork of the suffragists working in opposition to the suffragettes, which brought votes for all.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

Some Aussie comedian on KGB News has just said that the disabled should be shot or starved into work …but a few people holding signs is the problem. How baffling.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

The Brits need to make like the French and lop heads off until they have something resembling a functional democracy.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago

Palestine Action are heroes. We should be singing songs about them, not prosecuting them.

Remember, legality and morality are only vaguely related. Beyond the natural crimes of murder, rape, etc. laws are just politics by another name. And the wealthy and powerful write laws to advance their own corrupt interests. Many moral obligations are criminalized, and many things that if there is a Hell will surely get you sent there are perfectly legal.

Those planes deserved to be vandalized. Hell, they deserved to be set on fire. It's a shame they weren't destroyed completely. If those planes are being used to carry out a genocide, then they should be destroyed. That is the simple absolute moral truth. If the law says otherwise, then the law is wrong. Anyone violating it still needs to keep the consequences in mind. But outside observers should not be afraid to speak truth to power. What Palestine Action did was not wrong; it was an act of heroism. The UK should be electing these people to parliament, not prosecuting them. Want courageous leaders who will actually stand up to powerful interests and do the right thing, even when it's hard? Well it seems you just found that exact rare kind of person right here.

Destroying planes that are bound to assist in bombing in Gaza is simply the morally right thing to do, regardless of the law. It's no different than a Jewish resistance fighter in the 1940s setting fire to a cattle train about to go collect prisoners for transport to Dachau. Sometimes destruction of government property is the only morally correct choice available to people.

And we shouldn't be afraid to say this. People in the UK should be contacting their politicians demanding a full pardon for these heroes.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Only antisemites think genocide is bad. /s

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Can you support "the political prisoners of Palestine Action"?

Can you say "Palestine Action is not a terrorist organization"?

Can you say "Outlawing Palestine Action is terrorism"?

Or is that also illegal?

Fucking fascists... A sad end to the Labour Party, but it was clear what would happen after they stabbed Corbyn in the back.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's so much easier for the frog to not realize it's being boiled in the UK because there's no consolidated constitution to point to

[-] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

Not sure that matters too much, frogs in the US are boiling fine too. The constitution can be brushed aside just as easily.

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