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They are citing ONS figures of excess deaths as proof the vaccines are killing people. I tried to explain that not being able to get a doctor's appointment, staying home and getting fat, etc explain the figures (official sources have said it too) but they said it's "gaslighting" and then said their family doctor wouldn't get the vaccine.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

People who believe in these types of theories usually want to feel part of a club or may just be gullible. Pulling up charts and figures likely will not help as they often dismiss it or change the theory. Listening to them and asking them why they feel that way and where they got the information can cause them to critically think about it and start to form the cracks in the theory. If you think you're getting somewhere, maybe ask why vaccines and not another, more accessible form of medicine.

In this case, it sounds like the family doctor may be the source. Clarify exactly what this doctor said and what they would prescribe instead of a vaccine. It may be something homeopathic or a scam, or something else indicating the doctor is spreading a vaccine lie for their own gain.

If you're getting nowhere, consider if this family member has a history of mental illness. Some disorders make people prone to skepticism and a general mistrust of the world, or cause magical thinking. Schizophrenia, bipolar (manic episodes), and OCD can sometimes be hard to spot.

Unfortunately, it could also be something ego-centered, and being "in" on a theory forms a core part of their identity, separating them from the "sheep". They could be unempathetic to the idea of their actions spreading disease, or annoyed at the idea they have to take action to protect themselves. Based on the number of emotional responses in this thread and the general advice to block them or call them names, this is, sadly, a very likely cause. In this case, the best thing you can do is protect yourself by getting the vaccine that they won't and limit physical contact. It's a very sad reality that this line of selfish thinking has become extremely prevalent since COVID. I also had a vaccine skeptic family member who only gave it up once they caught COVID. They were lucky; take a look at r/DarwinAward to see the damage vaccine denialism causes.

Stay safe OP. I hope there is light for your family member.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago
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[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Punch them in the fucking face and 300 kick their asses out the door

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

“I’ll pay for yours if it means you can’t reproduce.”

[-] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

COVID is being used to depopulate and the vaccine is for those who want to survive

[-] [email protected] -5 points 5 days ago

One of the reasons i don't make policy decisions: my solution yo the antivax problem is to develop a bioweapon and a corresponding vaccine. Secretly add the new vaccine into all other vaccines for two years. Warn people that the coming flu season is going to be bad and that a new dangerous strain of covid is spreading to increase vaccination rates. Then deploy the bioweapon. No more antivaxxers.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

I’m on the ONS site and there’s mountains of publications and data on Covid. Which publication did they read?

[-] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

"More vaccines for me"

[-] [email protected] 132 points 1 week ago

"If you think the world's top scientists are trying to kill you, then why would you listen to any expert about anything? They'll save you from yourself when you're wrong anyway. Would you do the same for them? That's why they're trustworthy, and you and your sources are not."

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[-] [email protected] 90 points 1 week ago

"Bye."

Then leave and stay gone.

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[-] [email protected] 66 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not everything requires a response and at some point you have to pick your battles. They have revealed to you that they are an idiot. It is not your job to fix them.

[-] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago

Seriously, I've had multiple conversations with my BIL where he comes over to me and says something insane, and my response is just "huh okayyy...." and I walk away without saying anything else. I don't care to be polite anymore.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Sometimes the best response is no response at all. Silence can be deafening.

[-] [email protected] 52 points 1 week ago

I'm often a dick. I probably wouldn't say anything immediately, and then use that asinine opinion to dismiss anything else the person says later. Forever. They say something about , "Yeah, but you also think vaccines kill people, so we already know you are an idiot." Just on repeat on every opinion they voice, until they never want to say anything around me or talk to me.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

It depends on how invested you are in their health. I wouldn't do that to my mother, for instance.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago

Yup. This is the answer.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Tell them that you're a sheeple, and got the safe dose of the vaccine, since they want to keep the compliant people around. Tell them it's too bad they're on "the list" of bad people.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago

I generally reframe it from a perspective even they think they understand: Money.

Governments want their money. Less Population = Less Taxes for them to take, ergo, no government is trying to lower their population. And do they, the audience, think that the government is willing to have less money?

I don't think so!

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

"How to speak to a vaccine sceptic: research reveals what works Hesitancy about vaccinations is on the rise, but studies show there are specific ways to address people's questions."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01771-z

Optimistic, but a start maybe.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

"If that were true, I'd be trying even harder to make you take it."

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

If you think they’d be open to it, try Bayes’ theorem. Ask them to give percent likelihoods for the following:

A. The odds that the government (or whoever) is trying to kill everyone, before taking the evidence of excess deaths into account
B. The odds of seeing excess deaths for any possible reason, not just their conspiracy hypothesis
C. The odds of seeing excess deaths if the conspiracy hypothesis were true.

Then logically, the odds of the conspiracy being real given the excess deaths should be A*C/B. If you disagree with them on the outcome, you must disagree on one or more of the assumptions (probably A—if it’s B, you can find the objective odds by checking historical data).

If you still disagree on the prior assumption (A), you can set aside the excess deaths argument and ask what other evidence led them to form that prior assumption. Then you can repeat the process until you either reach agreement or they’re left with an assumption they have no evidence for.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

You can't use logic to talk someone out of a position they didn't use logic to get into in the first place

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago

...You are asking people who.. willfully choose to be idiots to... do science?

I mean, you do you, but at the point someone is willing to believe "the top scientists in the world are trying to get you killed" you might as well consider them lost, as they are ignoring elementary-level statistics.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

People are different and respond to the same message differently depending on the source. OP might have an in with their loved one and therefore a chance of changing their minds.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

They don't need a vaccine to depopulate when heart disease(695k/y), car accidents(40k/y), overdoses(82k/y), abortion(1m/y), and suicide(49k/y) kill far more people than the vaccine could possibly be linked to the COVID vaccines(8k in total).

Don't at me for including abortion, I support abortion access and want it to be a free service, but we are talking about depopulation means and abortion is a means to depopulate.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

IIRC there was a study where people with strong opinions talked to an Al and the process changed their minds.

Edit:

Durably reducing conspiracy beliefs through dialogues with AI https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adq1814

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

This is an easy one:

source

Ask them to point to the depopulation occurring.

On the graph the fuzzy dot is on June 2021 which was around the time that vaccines were in full availability. According to their logic we should see a decline occurring from the "depopulation" occurring from COVID vaccines. Where is that decline?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

The growth rate is a better chart for that, because you can see the population growth drastically diminishing (because more deaths = less grow) until vaccines where made available and then it immediately goes back to normal. If someone wanted to depopulate all they had to do was prevent the vaccines from reaching people or have people not take the vaccine.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

That's a cool suggestions. Where can one find something like that I wonder 🤔

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

in 2025? Vaccines have been available for how many years now? Why does anyone even think about COVID vaccines anymore in this year? We would have figured out any adverse effects by now if there were any.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Just mock them.
"Yeah, sure. It's all apart of Elvis's plan to return as the antichrist."

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

You are allowed, and sometimes encouraged, to not say anything.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Well I guess we agree that we should respect body autonomy.

But please be cognizant of the social consequences of not having herd immunity to protect the vulnerable and the perfectly reasonable judgement that your actions will result in the death of children, potentially including your own.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Ask them questions. Have them explain how, why. When you find contradictions or confusion, ask how they resolve them.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

"It couldn't hurt to get a second opinion, at least, right?"

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Slap them in the face to bring them back to their senses.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Yes they are. Those who don't take them help depopulate the planet

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Arceus, if it only worked faster...

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