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Research shows Victorians will pay the highest rate of property tax in the country

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is this being framed as a bad thing? I thought land tax was the arrow to pierce excessive landholders where it hurts. If the tax is too high, you give up the land rather than horde it like Smaug.

What a land tax needs is a preventative measure to stop landholders passing on the bill to the people they lord over. Then land tax good! Maybe it needs a threshold; some land ok, too much land BAD!

Or is this the ABC just being the shadow of their former self? Anyone got any details of the minutiae of this one?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I think land tax is better than stamp duty. It encourages people to not have more land than they need. Whereas stamp duty discourages people from moving/downsizing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The article sounds as if it's just reporting the facts to me. There's one comment from the opposition and one response from the Labor govt. The rest of the article is explaining what's going on and why Vic rates are the way they are.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Yes, it is. Reading between the lines the premise is "tax = bad" which everyone knows isn't completely right.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The annual charge will apply to investment properties and holiday homes, not the family home.

So for me owning one home (family home) this won't apply.

Or am I missing something in there?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly. It's not hurting poorer people.

Even though tax is bad, this is a good one. You wouldn't know it from the title and blurb.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which sort of throws the opposition argument of 'higher housing costs for families' out the window.

Thanks for clearing it up.

I'm not a fan of more taxes, but this seems reasonable.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah. I was just throwing a talking point out, everything seemed reasonable in the whole article but the Lemmy PWA has the title, an article blurb, and then the comment that, to me, leaned the other way.

It sounded like the tax was high to hurt every Victorian but it just isn't. I was wondering if this was poor reporting/clickbaiting or just me.

You cleared it up too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I think what you're missing is the ability to be clickbaited into panicked outrage

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

ABC really buried the lede on this one:

"Using the latest ABS data on overall tax, Victoria remains the second-lowest revenue state in the nation."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

High levels of infrastructure spending = eventually, high levels of tax. A "big build" is not a "free build".

And infrastructure spending is almost certainly needed, so that isn't much of a point to argue on either. What the opposition should be asking is whether the right infrastructure is being built, as that will ultimately determine whether we get an improved standard of living out of it rather than just a big tax bill.