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Pretty sure they blocked me after I commented, so no screenshot.

The US essentially has no restrictions on what parents can do to their children, or pay to have done to them. These companies will show up at night, and take a child out of their bed at night. They explicitly tell parents not to warn the kid what will happen.

Imagine being woken up in the middle of the night, maybe forced to quickly pack, and then be loaded in a van. You have no idea where you are going or why or who or what is going on. You get taken to a facility which is basically a cult. You might be dumped out in rural Utah, with people that have zero training in wilderness safety, who might punish you by denying you food and water.

Children die in these places all the fucking time. There generally is no state or federal oversight of these facilities - so there aren’t really investigations. These places are havens for child predators.

When I was sexually abused at a similar facility and tried to report it - I was placed on heavy doses of antipsychotics in retaliation. They drugged me unconscious, and then punished me for sleeping during “class.” As an adult, I have involuntary shakes and movements associated with the medical malpractice enacted on me.

These places don’t get investigated, they don’t get shut down. I think Utah is one of the only states with any form of agency that watches over these places. Child protective services won’t go in, health care agencies won’t go in.

Children have no rights in the US. They are the property of their parents, to be disposed of as they wish. And fuckers like this agency are delighted to kidnap children that their parents can’t be assed to parent.

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[-] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago

I'm just going to leave this here: https://elan.school/ That's how I learned about this.

I read the whole thing, and it's haunting, there's no way this shit could be made up, the gravity is too insane, and there's also you know, evidence.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

That comic made me sob both the first time I read it, and when I came back to the finished product.

And yeah elan school has been sufficiently investigated to leave little chance that Joe wasn't being as truthful as someone can be about an incredibly traumatizing teenage experience.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Thanks for sharing this. I've still got quite a few chapters to go, but I wanted to comment this thought before I forget it: it's so incredibly striking how powerful the small acts of kindness are. I've cried more at the little gestures of kindness than at all the cruelty.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I don't like comics usually but I swallowed that. Such a good read and so traumatizing! I think everybody should read that, it feels so real and I cried and was shocked so many times. Hardly anything before made me feel all the pain with them and I wish the best to everyone who has had to go through that.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The problem with these services is they get you in the door with these too-good-to-be-true deals, but then you're locked into a bullshit subscription service every month. So you think you're saving a bundle on the kidnapping, but you end up paying out the ass every month for them to KEEP the kid. Enshittification at work once again.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Fucking Netflix, right? Ughh

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Beautiful justice.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago

Facilities like this need to be burned down and the staff put to the headsmans axe, in fact did you know a shit tonne of them exist in Utah because of course they do.

Fun fact CPS wanted to send me to one as a child, luckily I was both a stubborn and clever little shit and my threat to burn things was taken seriously. My only condition to not burn things was to not go to it.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

As satisfying as fantasizing about arson is, I imagine these facilities are usually insured. It’s also easy to spin into a sob story - these places often take advantage of the fact that they work with underprivileged/foster youth to get community donations. “Oh no, we can’t help children anymore! Gib us money!”

I got my facility taken off DonorsChoose - absolutely enraging that they were able to use that site as a for profit institution.

It’s a problem that needs to be attacked at the root ultimately. Children should have their rights protected. Remember how the US refused to sign the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child? We also need more parenting classes - I’ve never been given the opportunity to be a parent, but I’ve talked with lots of parents about things like Love and Logic. Or just even accepting the fact that kids can just be weird or different sometimes - I should not have been punished for being uncomfortable with eye contact.

In the short term, educating people about these individual facilities. Making sure that the children who die in these places have their names remembered. I make signs with the name of the child my abusers killed, and just blanket surrounding neighborhoods with it.

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[-] [email protected] 137 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Guess it’s time to share this again.

GET YOUR FEELINGS OUT

[-] [email protected] 62 points 3 days ago

I’ve only been able to make it to page 10. People often mock the idea of being “triggered” but fuck, it makes me need my trazadone. I want to print this in full color and leave it everywhere I can.

[-] [email protected] 52 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Apologies for contributing to that feeling, definitely wasn’t my intention to upset you!

For those who haven’t read it and are unfamiliar with the horrific teen abuse industry this comic depicts, it’s quite a fucking journey.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It’s great - I actually shared it as one of the links in my post. People do need to know what these places look like, and that visceral reaction I have to it hopefully means that it inspires others.

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[-] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago

I made it to chapter 60 over the last 90 minutes.

I can’t even describe how angry I feel about that. Expletives don’t fit. I’m not big on death penalty, but I think these people deserve it - more than some who are sentenced to death.

I also am feeling incredibly grateful that my parents didn’t get caught up in the scam.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The energy tied up in all of that is so familiar. Just the entire vibe of senseless unmitigated cruelty and mindless nonsensical screaming hits so hard and reminds me so much of some of the shittiest people I've encountered in my life. What Joe describes feels like a horrible distillation of something that's a lot more pervasive than any one 'school' or cult or particular group of organized assholes systematically ruining people's lives. It hit hard. Thanks for sharing it.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

Thank you for sharing this. Probably one of the hardest reads of my life, it's incredibly powerful and well written so it conveys the horrors of the experience in an almost visceral way.

It also really helped me understand at a much more personal level how these addiction/reeducation camps and cults break people mentally and emotionally.

Sure, you read about these kinds of things happening in the news, but it never hit home for me what that experience is like until reading this.

Thank you.

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[-] [email protected] 87 points 3 days ago

Even after countless exposés done on these places there are STILL no serious investigations being done. I’m so sorry that happened to you :(

[-] [email protected] 89 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Allegand Jones was killed after refusing to undress for a staff member. Youth Villages at Bartlett is still operating.

It’s these southern states. “Parental rights” is always a code for “children are property to be disposed as we wish.”

[-] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago

But if it's a got dam fetus

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[-] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago

The fact that these places exist and aren't shut down has always really bothered me, horrible stuff

[-] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago

the things they can justify with religion should give anyone pause.

[-] [email protected] 41 points 3 days ago

How is the USA a real country

[-] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago

Well considering that North Korea and Russia exist it’s not soooo far fetched. The real surprise is how it has been considered until recently as THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. We were so blind…

[-] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago

Tbf, only Americans considered America the best country in the world. The rest of us have seen it as a third world country in denial when it comes to social issues for decades. The only non-americans who think America is the greatest are people who live in scrap metal shacks in countries run by dictators and egotistical assholes who hate welfare and Healthcare.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

I wonder how recently « the rest of us » built that opinion because from my 43 years as a European I certainly saw a lot of adulation of USA for as long as I remember. Even the healthcare pov is rather recent… For a long ass time they were certainly seen as our betters.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Post-WW2 industrial boom + Hollywood + Internet\media presence in US&EU anglosphere due to 300kk+ population.

I think for the persons under 50 this image started to fall apart with 9\11 + Lemon Brothers + the first Trump presidency.

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[-] [email protected] 54 points 3 days ago

There was a post recently, IIRC one of the kids ran away, the "camp" didn't report it, and the police killed the kid.

There was someone in the comments that defended it, they "worked in the industry". I didn't have the guts to call them out on working in the terrorism industry against children, even though my instance is getting deleted this month.

Fuck this and everyone involved

[-] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago

I just found out that my facility claimed another life, within the months I’ve been trying to get the state to investigate it. Not reported anywhere, just personally have been loud enough to have former employees reach out to me.

Fuck anyone involved who doesn’t become a whistleblower.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

Sounds like you need to report Facebook to the FBI. Oh wait, Zuckerberg paid them off. We'll I guess we're fucked. Still.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Even before Zuckerberg, these groups often have a religious coating. US law enforcement lets religious groups do whatever they want until the problem becomes undeniable. Even then, they drag their feet, and Republican politicians look sad while talking about how religious liberty is being destroyed.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

One of my kid's friends got sent to one of these camps. Luckily the parents chose not to have him kidnapped.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

I don’t understand why these weren’t outright banned after the first time a kid got murdered at one, let alone the umpteenth time.

[-] [email protected] 38 points 3 days ago

https://youtu.be/OwYNZQNQOQY

Behind the Bastards has a series on this featuring Mara Wilson.

[-] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Some states absolutely have cracked down on these types of places, as they were notoriously used for conversion therapy, among other terrible purposes. I definitely went to one of these places when I was a rebellious teenager, but I was fortunate in only having to go on the weekends during the day. I was also fortunate that the place had some oversight by my state, as I quickly learned that all their "punishments" could easily be defeated by simply refusing to participate (e.g. refusing to run laps, clean the gym floor with a toothbrush, etc). I lasted maybe 3 weekends there before they kicked me out of their "program."

That was 20+ years ago, and it still kind of blows my mind that those places exist. Therapy and supportive parents will "correct" rebellious behaviors 90+% of the time.

[-] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The funniest thing about my story is that it was kind of the reverse of the regular one. My mom was the wild one who did drugs, and was trying to keep me from noticing.

I wasn’t really “troubled.” I didn’t do drugs, I was a shy weird kid with good grades, never acted up in school - I didn’t learn the word “blowjob” until we watched Why Did I Get Married as part of “group therapy.” My mom just was a munchausen psycho. The actual psychiatric hospitals she sent me to would pick up on that quickly, but these fucking places don’t care, they just want the cash.

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Zero surprise. IG regularly recommends/sponsors content that genocidal, pseudo-scientific, grifting, fascist, etc. I switched to Pixelfed for regular use.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago

Get of facebook, instagram, TikTok. All of that. Want to stay in touch with your friends? Call them, text them.

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