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[JS Required] EU Unveils DNS4EU, a Public DNS Resolver Intended as a European Alternative to Services Like Google’s Public DNS and Cloudflare’s DNS. (www.joindns4.eu)

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DNS set up guidelines.

Protective resolution ad-blocking

IP address: 86.54.11.13

IPv6: 2a13:1001::86:54:11:13

DNS over HTTPS: noads.joindns4.eu/dns-query

DNS over TLS: noads.joindns4.eu

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

A yes, a public dns resolver funded by taxpayers money and nothing of it is open source...

Sounds like a massive waste of money to me. Just give someone like Mullvad (they already have a DNS service that is open source) that money instead of trying to be another shitty DNS Resolver.

Also the company behind this looks incredibly scummy and their products are mostly buzzword-bullshit. The whole company is based on selling a DNS blocklist for as much money as possible.

Also: https://www.whalebone.io/aura-for-consumers

People want to be safe online. They are even willing to pay for it. They just want their telco to offer them a smooth way to get there. Common cybersecurity products struggle with low adoption rates due to the need for downloads. Whalebone Aura requires no installation or updates and activates with a single click.

That's sounds a lot like the ISP is implementing some kind of deep network inspection "to protect you from the internet"... aka censoring.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 5 days ago

Why? Ao they can block what they deem to be a pirate site? Nope. Run your own Adguard Home.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago

Not sure about adguard, but unless you are running it with unbound or similar, you still have to point it at a DNS server someone else controls.

With unbound you go straight to the root hint servers.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Didn't know about unbound. Thanks.

[-] [email protected] 40 points 5 days ago

I was wondering about some of the fuckery around piracy in the EU atm:

This project provides the European Commission with no means of censorship. Furthermore, this would be against the goals of the project, which aims to strengthen digital sovereignty. The EU will not have access to configuration, data, etc. On top of that, DNS4EU will not be forced on anyone. It will merely abide to local regulations required of internet service provider. In other words, DNS4EU is not a way toward censorship, but actually toward data protection and better internet security and sovereignty for Europeans.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 5 days ago

So it will censor stuff as requested by governments

[-] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago

Mullvad DNS has been great also.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

Run your own DNS resolver

How does DNS4EU support NIS2?

“Member states should encourage the development and use of public and secure European DNS resolver service.” NIS2 directive, 2023

DNS4EU, a European initiative, presents multiple avenues for establishing a secure and compliant DNS resolver, aligning seamlessly with EU regulations. Its base lies in the cornerstone EU documents such as the Cybersecurity Strategy of the EU.

Finally, it was recommended in the European Parliament and Council’s directive NIS2.

only one point - the whole setup is...

[-] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Nice, but a shame it's not as easy to remember as 8.8.8.8.

[-] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago

Seems quite easy to remember with a nice jingle, like the emergency number... 🎵0118 999 881 999 119 725🎶. 3🎵.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

800 588 2300 Empire today

[-] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

Also 1.1.1.1 and 9.9.9.9

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Also Quad9 is Swiss which may actually better than EU?

[-] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago

Not sure why would it be better. EU provides strict personal data regulations guarantees

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Switzerland has pretty decent privacy laws of its own, why you think Swiss bank accounts are a meme?

[-] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago

Switzerland has done a 180 on that. A new amendment would require all VPN services, messaging apps, and social networks to identify and retain user data.

https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/cloud-service-infomaniak-steps-up-fight-with-proton-over-controversial-swiss-surveillance-law

[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

This isn't implemented yet, sadly we also have stupid politicians like the rest of the world.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Oh boy

[-] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

Cause they have nazi gold in their banks. Your data is belong to them. Don't be confused!

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

It's not just the nazis. Rich fucks from all over the world keep money there to hide it from authorities. Though I guess that's changing now.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

This confuses the fuck out of me because my VPN in Switzerland using TLS DNS shows Germany as the country in DNS leak tests.

The Swiss DNS provider doesn’t have servers in Switzerland?

[-] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Quad9 is a Swiss org, but it operates at hundreds of PoPs inside many different countries (anywhere PCH has a presence), their addresses are anycast so it'll use whatever the upstream routes/BGP dictate.

Both Quad9 and CloudFlare have the closest DNS for my network, at around 1ms RTT. However CloudFlare doesn't support ECS, so I use the alternate Quad9 service that does, since it gives me better performance on a number of CDNs.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Right, I understand all that but I still can’t figure out why DNS is going to a 14 Eyes country instead of staying in Switzerland.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

If it was a simple geoip lookup that isn't really reliable wrt anycast addresses (or even addresses in general).

9.9.9.9 for example gets reported as Berkely, CA (US). Which is only partially accurate, for complicated business holding and ASN reasons, but is not representative of what DNS PoP you're actually using at any given time.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

That’s true and that all makes sense. I guess I kind of forget because generally the IP address is physically very near to where I’m testing from.

I just switched to a Swiss DNS resolver regardless. I like Quad9’s malware blocking but it’s more important to me to keep the DNS server in Switzerland (despite it needing to query outside the country regardless).

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

That's it, I can't use it, fuck.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

The EU is already trying to block and censor ips via DNS, so I don't trust this initiative at all, nor, frankly, do I trust the EU as an organization. It should stick to foreign policy, not trying to overrule our national governments to force legislation onto us that we don't want.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

This isn't really on topic but since you mentioned it, the only way for Europe to stay relevant is if we integrate more.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

That depends on what you mean by integrate. There are many clear examples where it makes no sense to enforce homogenous legislation. Europe is a big place, and it makes sense to have different systems in different places.

Take tires for instance - in the Scandinavian countries we require winter tires for the season, something which would make no sense in Italy for instance.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

That depends on what you mean by integrate. There are many clear examples where it makes no sense to enforce homogenous legislation. Europe is a big place, and it makes sense to have different systems in different places.

No, there are no place where it make no sense. Granted that you need to write a more complex law, but in the end it is nothing impossible.

Take tires for instance - in the Scandinavian countries we require winter tires for the season, something which would make no sense in Italy for instance.

Just for the record, even in Italy the winter tires are required for the season (but we can just have chains on board and we are good).

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Just for the record, even in Italy the winter tires are required for the season (but we can just have chains on board and we are good).

Double checking and it doesn't seem like it? Then again I don't live in Italy. Here in Sweden you'll face a fine of ~2000kr (roughly 200€) per tire on your vehicle that is out of spec.

https://www.europe-consommateurs.eu/en/travelling-motor-vehicles/motor-vehicles/winter-tyres-in-europe.html

Granted that you need to write a more complex law, but in the end it is nothing impossible.

...and thus it is much simpler to handle these kinds of regulations at a lower level. No need for everyone everywhere to agree, people can have rules that work for them where they live, folks are happier and don't have to struggle against a system run by bureaucrats so far away they have no idea what reality on the ground is (and they can't, it's impossible to account for every scenario centrally). Even on a municipal level certain regulations differ, and that's completely ok!

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Just for the record, even in Italy the winter tires are required for the season (but we can just have chains on board and we are good).

Double checking and it doesn’t seem like it? Then again I don’t live in Italy. Here in Sweden you’ll face a fine of ~2000kr (roughly 200€) per tire on your vehicle that is out of spec. https://www.europe-consommateurs.eu/en/travelling-motor-vehicles/motor-vehicles/winter-tyres-in-europe.html

Well, I live in Italy and they are required at least in all the northern regions and over a certain altitude in all the others from 15th November to 15th April. Then in some regions these limits are differents as you have seen.

So we in Italy already have a law that consider a different situation for the same rule.

Granted that you need to write a more complex law, but in the end it is nothing impossible.

…and thus it is much simpler to handle these kinds of regulations at a lower level. No need for everyone everywhere to agree, people can have rules that work for them where they live, folks are happier and don’t have to struggle against a system run by bureaucrats so far away they have no idea what reality on the ground is (and they can’t, it’s impossible to account for every scenario centrally). Even on a municipal level certain regulations differ, and that’s completely ok!

So it is not that difficult, just write a directive that say: "All the member states should make laws that require winter tires in every place it is deemed necessary".

I don't really think that making EU more integrated is impossibile

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

You should read their policy

[-] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

I have.

It includes "compliance with EU regulations" which in this case is soon going to involve redirecting and tracking visitors to sites such as thepiratebay.

Fully expect this to be a move to enable them to enforce this via blocking DNS providers that don't comply with censorship lists, instead directing people to use this.

I don't need an EU DNS, I already have OpenDNS.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

It includes “compliance with EU regulations” which in this case is soon going to involve redirecting and tracking visitors to sites such as thepiratebay.

Which are already required, in a form or another, for every EU member, so ?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

so ?

To make it extra clear. I don't want to be subjected to these kinds of regulations. They are an infringement upon my personal freedoms and my privacy.

I don't want these regulations to exist. If they exist, I'd prefer they be unenforceable. If they try to enforce them, I'll try to circumvent them.

The internet wants to be free.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

That guy thinks that the EU is one entity, not consisting of many member states.

Also it sounds like he only read headlines. Otherwise he would know that the EU survelliance bill is a proposal, which any member state can make in a democracy.

Guess the propaganda got to him if he belives more what he reads in a headline instead of what actions the EU actually makes.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

The EU is one entity, consisting of several member states. Just like my own country consists of many regions and municipalities with their own elected officials.

Member states are forced to comply with legislation passed by the EU, even if a majority of the citizens of a state do not want to implement it. Technically there are two other options - sufferimg massive fines and punitive actions by the EU, or leaving. I'd rather not have to endure either of those, so instead I complain, loudly, online, to politicians, MPs and MEPs.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Member states are forced to comply with legislation passed by the EU, even if a majority of the citizens of a state do not want to implement it. Technically there are two other options - sufferimg massive fines and punitive actions by the EU, or leaving. I’d rather not have to endure either of those, so instead I complain, loudly, online, to politicians, MPs and MEPs.

Member states are forced to comply with legislation passed by the EU writing their own laws. An EU directive has no effect in Italy unless a law that acknowledges it is enacted. True, we must write a law that implement the directive but it is not an automatism.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

An EU directive has no effect in Italy unless a law that acknowledges it is enacted. True, we must write a law that implement the directive but it is not an automatism.

This is exactly what I wrote in the comment you replied to, albeit with different wording? Basically the only other options if the nation does not want to comply is: a) suffering punitive actions from the EU indefinitely or until they comply or b) leaving the EU.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago

Yeah, sure. Go complain about your life in the EU. Must be awful.

Maybe go outside and enjoy your privileged life in Europe.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

It is not that living in EU remove our right to criticize what we think is not working.

And currently there is a lot that not work in EU, or that can work way better.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Any counter indication to using this from Canada?

[-] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

In Canada we have CIRA Canadian Shield

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Have you looked into their privacy policy, is it alright?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Don't think so, will be a tiny bit slower to reach.

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