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Defense secretary’s memo says stripping the name of the Navy veteran is part of an effort to reestablish ‘warrior culture’

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[-] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago

Fascist culture

[-] frezik@midwest.social 58 points 1 year ago

We don't want a warrior culture. That's dumb fashy shit. We want a culture where every time soldiers are sent to war, it's seen as a failure of leadership that it got to this point.

[-] Alloi@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

literally one of the biggest components of sun tzus art of war is exactly that.

"the supreme art of war is to subdue your enemy without fighting"

essentially, if you have an enemy, and can work things out democratically, or in other non violent ways, then you win. if you cannot do that, you have failed, and have to wage a traditional war, which is costly to both sides. and thus should be avoided.

[-] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Asimov also had this concept baked into the foundation series. "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent".

[-] Kirp123@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

These people wouldn't know what warrior culture is if it came in and punched them in the face. Ancient Greeks hoplites were gay as shit and they were some of the finest warriors in the world.

Homosexuality in the militaries of ancient Greece was a significant aspect across the ancient Greek city-states, ranging from being a core part of military life to being an accepted practice of some individual soldiers. It was regarded as contributing to morale. Although the primary example is the Sacred Band of Thebes, a unit said to have been formed of same-sex couples, the Spartan tradition of military heroism has also been explained in light of strong emotional bonds resulting from homosexual relationships. Various ancient Greek sources record incidents of courage in battle and interpret them as motivated by homoerotic bonds.

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The Spartans also missed like two wars because they landed on easy to predict holidays that perverted them from being there in time, so they tended to over sell the times they did make it to war.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

Too bad his name wasn’t Harvey Whiskey. There’d be no shot of having it renamed by Pete in that case.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago
[-] shutz@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago
[-] klu9@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Or tell him that if you combine into one fleet the USS Harvey Milk, the USS Morgan Rum and the USS Runny Yolk, you get eggnog!

[-] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

America is a fascist, racist, homophobic, bully, anti-intelligence culture.

Sacrifice your neighbours at the altar of prosperity in pursuit of the holy me.

[-] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Except that its less than 1/3 of us that feel that way. Its a big shit sandwich and we all have to take a bite here.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

There's some pretty good restaurants tho.

[-] andyburke@fedia.io 25 points 1 year ago

This dude is hopelessly fucking stupid.

The very nature of warfare is changing at an unbelievable rate (supply chain attacks, drones manufactured in theater, just to name a couple) and this guy is fucking obsessed with transgender and gay people.

If you're conservative and you voted for these guys, and you give any kind of shit about America, you need to start yelling at your reps about this bullshit to get someone with at least some baseline fucking competency in there.

I didn't vote for this bullshit. My city didn't. My state didn't. Y'all in the red states need to step up.

[-] loopedcandle@lemmynsfw.com 21 points 1 year ago

Renaming a ship is really bad luck, IIRC. And sailors are hilariously superstitious. So if they rename it after some conservative anti-gay asshat (narrator: they will) that the ship is going to be the most despised ship in the fleet.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 18 points 1 year ago
[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

The thing is, Drinky Pete, we can't go back to live in the 1950s. We already don't live there because of the whole forward-motion thing of time, and so going back isn't going to work.

So maybe work a little harder to drink yourself to death.

[-] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Maybe if we all ship him a bottle...

[-] DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Just wait until they see the “warriors” in history.

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What next? Guessing from the Onion's prediction

U.S. Military Bans Men With Girl Names From Participating In Combat

Though it beats me why putting a relatively peaceful yet outspoken activist and politician's name in an imperial ship is progress in the first place.

[-] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Rainbow fascism at work! Also "....something something during the time of great revolutionaries something something canonize them something something." --Joe's Lemon.

Why aren't they saying whose name is going in its place?

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Because they aren't announcing it until june 13.

The renaming of the ship was set to become public on June 13, the memo said. While a new name for the Milk has not been announced, the memo said Hegseth and Phelan are set to make the announcement aboard the oldest commissioned ship in the Navy, the USS Constitution.

[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Hmmmm.

That's the day before POTUS's birthday. Trump would love a big beautiful boat named after him as a birthday gift bribe to not fire Hegseth for royally fucking up.

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Oh fuck i hope not

[-] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

haha rename it from a totally-not-manly gay icon's name to a totally-manly draft dodger's name.

That boat will be the unluckiest boat ever floated and will sink shortly after.

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

USS Bonespurs has a nice ring to it, actually.

[-] dunidane@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

Sad to see the constitution used to spread such hate. But I guess her namesake has gotten the same treatment forever.

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[-] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Assuming the plan is USS Adolf Hitler, the way things are going

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago

They'll start with the USS Rommel

[-] Lussy@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

The perfect third column Nazi

[-] 7empest@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

It's gonna be the USS Taco isn't it..

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[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

They seem to be spending a whole lot of energy on stuff that really isn't practically important

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago
[-] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Yea but I also have a job, and a wife and dog that would suffer if I martyred myself, even if I only wound up in prison. I think a lot of people look at the situation and see the same hopelessness, and can only hope for it not to get worse, because chances are if we do nothing, we won't lose everything, but not the same if we do choose to do something.

"First they came for the..."

I agree, but I don't have a better answer. I empathize like hell with my queer friends, I understand the fear, but what am I going to accomplish alone with a rifle and how likely is it that a legitimate militia could be established before being wiped out, and how would it even be organized?

I think it has to start with the military. I think if a large enough chunk of soldiers and materiel defected, enough for a fighting chance, that civilians would join in droves. But I don't really know, that's just what I've come to think.

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[-] Worx@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 1 year ago

I know it's dumb, and it's not the point, and fascists don't care what they're saying as long as they get their way but part of me still needs to answer this

liking other men doesn't impact your ability to do violence. Gay people can also be violent. You know that right, you stupid piece of fascist shit?

[-] Zannsolo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Liking men is extra manly. Guys the movie 300 about, loved fucking other dudes.

[-] klu9@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

"Warrior culture - it's turned out so well for the Russian military, let's do it to ours!"

[-] andybytes@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

Fuck these d bags

[-] Etterra@discuss.online 4 points 1 year ago

That's just fucking petty.

[-] lividweasel@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

“Warrior culture” on the fuel tanker crewed mainly by civilians

[-] paddythegeek@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

What a bunch of bullshit.

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