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Far right nutjob wins presidential election in Poland
(www.theguardian.com)
Damn. I hate this timeline.
Polleming here, some context;
- this guy a doctor of history, until recently head of IPN, state historical institute dealing with historical crimes of the Nazi and Soviet regimes + other genocides (pol-ukr)
- in early 20 took over a flat from an old alcoholic who was then in prison (prob. "encouraged" by other prisoners)
- signed a deal he will support the guy in exchange for the flat till the end of life, the guy is now in a state welfare facility, fully on state support
- flat itself was siphoned of the housing system
- used to work as bouncer in a gang bar
- also a football casual who took part of one of the most famous 70v70 football casuals fight, along key gangsters
- delivered sexworkers to a hotel where he worked as security
- went to beg for support of a far right pro-russian candidate, got humiliated publicly, signed off vetoing Ukraine in NATO (key Polish starategic objective for security against openly threathened Russian invasion)
- wins 50.89% to 49.11% against a bland liberal, president of Warsaw
- we live in a society.
Kinda wild how all these gang-associated right wingers with ties to Russia somehow manage to win elections by a narrow margin recently.
So weird.
Indeed.....
https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/
https://electiontruthalliance.org/eta
First and last links are the data. The middle links are for us stupid people that need to be told how to read the data in the last link.
Each point of these is a public fact BTW, not some gossip. All broadly discussed in the media, and supported by evidence/witnesses and with no real denial by Nawrocki.
Wait, Poland has bland liberals just like the US??
Polish people did their choice and I just hope that Navrocky will be as strong as our president Volodymyr Zelensky when russian troops attack his country. Putin has nothing to loose anymore so he is raising stakes. He's like that drunken gambler who lost his fortune and now wants to win it back by betting all his money on one card. I'm just surprised by the insecurity of the Poles, have they really forgotten how many times Russia divided the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. So that it doesn't suddenly become a surprise for them... because a weak president during a war is always bad.
PiS/Nawrocki are quietly pro-russian traitors. If things get hard they will either follow our historical goverments and run, leaving the people to defend themselves or follow the other historical goverments and allow for the country to be divided and conquered without a serious fight. Our tradition of fighting for freedom is very separate from our traditional goverments...
I just think what Nawrocki would do if Russia attacked Poland, the US withdrew from NATO, and the EU and Great Britain refused to participate in the war against Russia... Leaving Poland one on one with Russia. Would Nawrocki surrender Poland to Putin? I know for sure that Ukraine, unlike Poland, will send Ukrainians to defend Poland - and all Ukrainians will be in solidarity in this matter. For us, Poles are brothers, just like Belarusians. No matter what. And no matter how much Russia wants to quarrel us - it will not succeed.
PiS/Nawrocki are quietly pro-russian traitors. If things get hard they will either follow our historical goverments and run, leaving the people to defend themselves or follow the other historical goverments and allow for the country to be divided and conquered without a serious fight. Our tradition of fighting for freedom is very separate from our traditional goverments…
Fuck me.
[slides into DMs]
DMs your slide.
America relieved that they're now clearly not the only idiot population in the world.
The Netherlands also elected a right wing populist gouvernement somehow. They've been at it for a while but haven't really done anything they have been yelling about because they figured out it's not all as simple as it seems.
The common denominator seems to be someone yelling that immigrants are bad. I think most people in the Netherlands voted for the populists because of that and they see past the incompetence and stuff that borders on fascism. They just want their streets to be filled with white people eating potatoes and speaking Dutch.
I'm not saying migration isn't an issue at all, because it is, I'm just saying it might not be a great idea to elect a party based on this point without looking at the rest of their opinions.
"immigration bad" is easier to attach scary numbers and stoke up fear.
It's easier to have the media cycle showing bad things immigrants do (which - imo - is likely statistically inline with the general population. But because it was an immigrant that did it, it has extra biases attached), than feel good stories of how immigration helps a country & economy.
The fact that immigration is generally a net positive is hard to describe in soundbites and catchy headlines.
So the right makes scary statements and flashes scary numbers and promises to do something about it. And it's difficult to nail down exactly what they are going to do about it.
And, of course, that single issue party doesn't run the government for the people so you end up with a bunch of bullshit harmful policies being enacted.
It ends up being the message of the policy that drives the news cycle, not the policies themselves.
While more progressive parties talk about equal rights, better taxation, more social services. And everyone talks about money trees or politicises medical issues.
So it's the policy that gets raked over the coals, instead of the message of the policy being the story.
And finally, the majority of news companies are owned/run by right wing (or at least right leaning) millionaires/billionaires.
The common denominator seems to be someone yelling that immigrants are bad.
Absolutely. Immigrants are shaping up to be this century's Jews.
I'm not saying migration isn't an issue at all, because it is,
Really, it pretty much isn't. Immigrants simply highlight issues that already exist, like lack of opportunity, housing shortages and weak social security while ruffling bigots' feathers.
The main reason why the more populist government won this time around over the VVD (the more centrist conservative party) is down to the failures of the VVD in the years before, causing this mess we're currently in, and the fact that the populist candidate slightly softened his rethoric about immigration. Don't get me wrong, he still hates immigrants but he went from wanting to ban Islam and burn Koreans to just wanting to send immigrants back to their own country. On top of that, he also seemingly steered more into being there for the "normal" (read: white) Dutch person.
As for them not getting anything done: this was more or less expected. It's part of the right wing playbook but it's also just such a mess here politically with all the different factions with different goals that cancel each other out that it is very difficult to achieve anything.
Want more houses? Farmers have to give in, leading to massive protests and tractors on the highways. Also, with the farmers party in the government this could cause them to have to resign. Want more farmers? This isn't allowed due to Dutch (and EU) nature laws and regulations (thank God we have those). Want to give money to lower class people? Oh wait, they're right wing... They might promise that to win votes but that will never happen.
At the moment the best we can hope for is that the populist leader comes through on his threats of pulling out of the government if he doesn't get his (crazy) way soon and that the people here have learned their lesson that voting right doesn't achieve anything. I'm sure VVD will still get a lot of votes but I at least hope that we can get a mixed government again, it's been a long time since that happened...
I know it's probably a typo but, man, 'burning Koreans' is a bit of an extreme stance to have on migration, even for extremists.
Lol whoops, didn't even see that. Autocorrect got me there I guess :D
I mean Brexit was voted on back in 2016, and despite vocal opposition online, not much was actually done to try and stop it.
You're right. That sounds pretty much like the Dem voter base today. Complacency in a perceived landslide victory tends to lead people to sit at home.
If the entire population of Poland (36.69 (nice) million, 2023) was completely idiotic, that would only be slightly more than 10% of the US population (340.1 million, 2024). I think we still hold the largest concentration of idiot.
Won by less than 2%, it was 50.89% to 49.11%, with 70% voting. But yeah, we're not the brightest Europe has to offer.
The issues facing the world right now cross every border.
No... no, this is worse.
Goddammit Poland, you had one job.
Imagine being the start of an enormous war because of a guy like this and then not learning anything from it.
Nawrocki is formally independent, but is aligned with the PISS party
They probably didn't vote for it. There appeared to be a Russian Tail yesterday. The conservatives are sharing tactics worldwide and have figured out how to steal elections, but make it look "close." They stole the US election in 2024. They tried to do it in 2020, they just didn't quite manage it.
https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/
https://electiontruthalliance.org/eta
First and last links are the data. The middle links are for us stupid people that need to be told how to read the data in the last link.
Little European Texas living up to its name 😔
Thank God their nuclear subs still have screen doors.
That’s what happens when the government works only for the wealthy. KO is more guilty of losing than PiS is guilty of winning. With how they’ve been doing I’m thinking they might have lost on purpose, otherwise their excuses so far would stop working.
Nothing changed compared to yesterday, no need to panic.
You still have Tusk, don’t worry.
For next 2 years only...?
this post was submitted on 02 Jun 2025
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