This was the first movie I saw in a theater after the pandemic and I loved it. The worst things I can say about about it are that it had a standard villain who we’d never heard of before and watching the making of this movie on Disney+ they went way overboard over how happy they were to involve zero men who n multiple facets of making the movie.

If you imagined it swapped and a bunch of dudes saying how great it was that they got to do, idk, costumes or sound design or whatever without any women being involved it would have been gross, but somehow sexism was supposed to be okay because it was women doing it? Ick.

Still a fun movie that I enjoyed, and I’m very much the dude that at least on the surface looks like who they’d hate.

I think the movie was on par with other Marvel movies at the time. A lot of misogynists got to hide behind the fact that it wasn’t a great movie, but the fact that this film regularly gets called the “worst” when it was preceded by Eternals (a dry, over-serious slog); Love and Thunder (a disjointed comedy(?) with poor writing); Wakanda Forever (I actually couldn’t tell you what this one was about it was so forgettable); and Quantumania (the failed launch of Kang that was a CGI nightmare) is absurd to me.

All of the movies I mentioned are fun if you take them for what they are, and The Marvels was a basic “superheroes fight bad guy from their past” story with a fun twist.

I think it also got pushback because it was the first film which explicitly had required reading (Wandavision and Ms Marvel), but this is the MCU. Every movie these days is linked to some other product.

the biggest crime marvel ever commited on themselves was infinitywar/endgame. Not all these movies have to be that big and I think many people miss that.

I had a fun time at the Marvels and Quantumania that year, I came out happy. Did they change my life? No, but I had fun

I said this same thing at the time, and added that there is a second category of hate-reviewers, critics who are tired of Comic Book Movies. Critics watch movies to write reviews and draw readers to sell ads. They must watch every movie, and it's entirely relatable that they would be sick of slogging through yet another superhero origin story, especially given the DC, Sony, and Fox garbage that tried to emulate what Marvel had done. Terrible movies make for entertaining reviews. Shitting on bad movies is good for engagement, which sells more ads.

But the movies aren't made for critics. They aren't made for casual viewers. They're made for fans. If you don't want to watch a comic book movie, all of its flaws will stick out like when you bit the inside of your cheek.

So you have the bigots who hate seeing women, minorities, and LGBTQ+ representation in films. Then you have the critics who want to gather clicks. And you have legitimate grievances with formulaic movies, bad writing, and unfinished CGI.

These snowball into a compounding, self-sustaining feedback loop, and if you aren't paying attention, it seems like consensus.

None of the MCU movies have been terrible. None of the latest batch have been perfect movies, but even the worst ones have been entertaining and sincerely enjoyable for fans of the comics.

Compare the Marvels to a movie like Madam Web, which was irredeemably bad, or Wonder Woman 1984 which was reviled by DC comics fans. The reviews for those movies focused primarily on their flaws, and not being "woke."

The Marvels immediately fell victim to false narratives and culture war nonsense

People with shitty opinions have shitty opinions. Surprise!

I'm not saying you have ignore the elephant in the room when covering the film but you don't need to keep bringing it up as though the people with shitty takes have valid criticism. They're not arguing in good faith.

Now, did the The Marvels have issues as a film? Yes.

The two biggest, barely mentioned in this article, were the shortened run time which led to a rushed storyline and the weak character development of the films primary villain.

The film skips the more interesting story of how Captain Marvel became viewed not as the savior of all worlds, but as the villain of the Kree.

We also have the resentment of Monica towards Captain Marvel. I think the film generally handled this well, but it was weird that these characters never spoke before the film. It would have been nice if they had an attempted but more strained relationship as this film starts.

And if course to contrast all this Kamala absolutely adores Captain Marvel. The "why" isn't really explained. Captain Marvel is mostly out in space, so what did she do to gain her appreciation? Even if we say that she saved the day in Endgame, Kamala would only have second had accounts of these events.

The film needed a bit more world building. It needed more time to tell it's story. Instead we got an extended cat montage. While memorable (ha) and funny, it doesn't add to the story.

But do I hate The Marvels? No. It's a disappointment. It should have been better.

Nah. It got hate from right wingers because woman. Still just a superhero movie but wasn't as bad as they claimed.

The hate is largely misdirected at the cast. It had weak writing and some of the visual effects were clinkers.

I remember in particular Captain Marvel grabbing a spaceship and throwing it and it was like gravity and inertia just stopped existing for a bit.

It definitely wasn't good, but I can say confidently that these are worse:

• Ant man quantumania
• Wakanda forever
• the new captain america

No movie that isn't just bigotry pretending to be a movie deserves the kind of hate this movie got.

That being said, it's not a great movie. It also lacks the charm of a traditional B movie. But that's all it is, is meh.

It was definitely on the lower end as far as Marvel movies go. I'd say it was just a hair better than bad. There were some good scenes, but overall they didn't flow from one to the other. The main villain wasn't interesting. There were some neat concepts that ended up feeling like missed opportunities (a feeling I've had A LOT post-Endgame).

I'd put it neck-and-neck with Wakanda Forever. Better than Thor L&T, Ant-Man QuANTuMANia, Captain America BNW, and Black Widow. Nowhere near as good as Shang-Chi, Spider-Man FFH, Spider-Man NWH, Doctor Strange MoM, GOTG Vol. 3, or Thunderbolts. I thought Eternals was fun too. Not as good as those mentioned, but still better than The Marvels.

The film is bad and deserves most of the hate. The actresses do what they can with the material, and the hate is unjustified.

@TheImpressiveX I liked it just fine. I feel it delivered on its promises, plus something-something about a villain or whatever. I really liked that they gave so much screen time to Kamala's family.

I rate it about 5/10 on the marvel scale but like a 2/10 on general movie scale. If I had paid theater money for it I would be pissed. Brie Larsen is just awful. Badly cast and increasingly unlikeable.

I absolutely adore Iman Vellani as Ms Marvel. Her and her family made the entire movie for me. I'm a childless middle aged man, hardly the key demographic for her character but I felt like they nailed it as did she.

Teyona Parris I think is also great as Monica Rambau. She's got the intensity and a great dry wit. Her character was misused.

They made Captain Marvel so OP in the Avengers that the story had very little suspense and just felt like it was cramming together some concepts. I've not watched it since it came out so I night take this opportunity to rewatch and maybe critique it more succinctly. But, it was bad.

I'm sure it got a lot of hate from red pilled incels but it still had to be a good movie beyond that. And it just wasn't.

I didn't think it was great, but I don't think that I was the target audience. I didn't think that Guardians of the Galaxy III was good either, but that wasn't targeted at me, either. If I was 8, it would have been great.

It wasn't bad, it was just another marvel movie. They're pretty formulaic at this point, to fault the script, universe, effects or acting is silly - it's all the same across 100 movies. It's good, it works. If you're the target of this movie, you'll like it. If not, you'll like it less. It's hardly controversial, it's just marketing.

Yes. It was garbage. And I like most of marvels garbage but this was up there with wonder woman and eternals, and the latest shit.

Yes.

I watched it with my GF in theaters, it was pretty rancid