It was originally titled a Christian vs 20 Athiests but because he never wants to give a definitive answer on anything while he goes down pseudo-intellectual tangents and the children owned him he made them change the title to Jordan Peterson.
Yeah Peterson strikes me as one of those types that doesn’t think God exists in an absolute sense but thinks superior civilizations require the masses believe in God so he argues for its existence out of practical considerations.
He was at one point planning on buying a church and giving sermons because his wife had a dream that it was 5 minutes to midnight and that he was going to save western civilization.
Literal mid-game JRPG villain
JRPG Villians tend to be coherent in their motivations.
That is extremely accurate from what I’ve seen of him
What do you mean by belief? What do you mean by true?
Media trained legendary charlatan vs the 20 least literate atheists we found on the street
A few things I noticed about Peterson "debates".
Most importantly people don't know how to "debate" these kinds of people. You don't go in for something serious. You go in to make them look like a clown because they aren't serious. If one line isn't doing the trick you change tactics. Unfortunately this involves studying the tapes on these people. Watching a ton of them and learning the rhetorical devices they use and how to defeat those devices. How to craft rhetoric carefully to paint them into a corner and not give up when they refuse your rhetorical device.
And never forget, you can always reject a rhetorical device. JP does it frequently when he can see it's going to back him into a corner. You can return that. When your opponent makes a declarative statement you can just say, "no, that isn't true."
The only JP debates I watched fully were the Dillahunty and Zizek ones, and my speculation is that after those, in which he got humiliated in both, he developed a tactic of never taking a stance on things or attacking semantics to avoid ever getting humiliated again.
God he was such a clown in both those. It was clear in the Zizek debate he hadn't even read the communist manifesto. Dillahunty was just painful because Peterson was like an angry toddler by comparison.
I used to listen to Dillahunty on the Atheist Experience debate callers. This was a public access show in Texas. To say he's an experience debater on the topic is a massive understatement. I did not watch the entire debate he did with JP because I knew he was going to walk all over him. I've heard JPs rhetoric on the subject and it's amateur at best. I think even a worm like Tom Leykis could have wrecked JP in that one. At least he has that funny line, "I don't know and you don't either."
I used to listen to Dillahunty on the Atheist Experience
Me too. It's shameful how they pushed him out when he's the one who built the show into what it was. The guy had a lot of bangers. One quote that has stuck with me is "Religious people have better morals than their religion."
I forget what call it was, but some guy was all "Oh so you think you're some kind of genius so your opinion is better than mine?"
Dillahunty: "I am a genius but that's irrelevant to the argument I'm making."
I ‘won’ my states debate competition in my first year of doing it, because as someone on the spectrum I just literally wouldn’t pick up on the rhetorical traps opponents would try lmao. Just confidently walking through a minefield only because of forgetting to look down
That's hilarious and also good on you. Neurodivergence wins again. I think people new in rhetoric can't help but answer a carefully laid out question because that is how conversation works. But in debate if you someone says, "well if you think this then would you...." you know they are leading you somewhere. You can reject the premise.
JP knows this and employs it but he decides to employ it so often in a few sections on absolute gimme questions, like "would you lie to Nazis". Some will say it's because he's crypto and maybe so but I think he sees the trap being laid and wants to avoid it. He can always avoid it later the line or claim a false-equivalency. But the real irony is that he didn't need to be in that situation in the first place if he didn't try to post-structurally prance his way out of the belief question. Oh, you wouldn't put yourself in the quagmire of lying to a Nazi, bitch, you couldn't even avoid the quagmire of dodging this set of questions.
Peterson says this crypto shit and then wonders why he gets fans asking him about "the Jewish Question." It's been pointed out to him the phrase "Post-modern cultural neo-Marxism" is a nazi dogwhistle, but he keeps using it. I think the only conclusion to draw from that is Peterson is a nazi and a fascist too chickenshit to admit it.
Honestly I’m just a bully with a conscience lol. The proudest moment of my debate “career” was my “first debate” in hs psychology where we had to “debate gay marriage” and I just made the baptist kid admit he was going to his own hell because he was against basic happiness 😂
He using slightly more words to do the thing that kids do where they just ask "but why?" to every answer that is given to them until the parent eventually gives in or loses their shit and banishes the kid outside to "touch grass."
Jordan Peterson SLAMMED and DOUBLE PENETRATED by TWENTY ATHEISTS
Could he handle that much fun???
perverted grandpa gets absolutely destroyed by 20 college students
can be pretty unintentionally funny. Its too bad that hes actual harmful by funneling in vulnerable young men to the right
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