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[–] 193 points 1 year ago (30 children)

It’s reliable, it’s simple, it’s free, and virtually everyone who uses the internet has one. Email won’t be replaced for a LONG time.

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  • [–] 83 points 1 year ago* (25 children)

    To be fair, if it is "free" you are probably paying your mail provider with your data.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I assume he meant free like speech, not free like beer.

    There are no gatekeepers to email, anyone can get a domain and their own server.

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    There are definitely gatekeepers. Even if your hosting provider isn’t blocking port 25 by default, SPF, DKIM and DMARC will see your emails going straight into the recipient’s junk folder/spam filter if not correctly configured. Hosting your own mail server at home is also a fantastic way to piss off your ISP, lose emails to downtime, have your IP blacklisted from many services and open up your environment to exploitation. It can be done but let’s not pretend that it’s easy or that there aren’t barriers to entry.

    Mail servers are like filo pastry. Sure, you could go to the inconvenience and effort of making it yourself and I’m sure it’ll be very satisfying to do so. But 99% of professionals use the store bought version, and for good reason, because it’s a lot of effort for an end result that is no better and in all likelihood probably worse.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Mostly agree, but as someone who has been hosting my own email for years I can tell it is, in fact, better.

    Quick note for hosting one on a residential IP - that would no longer piss any ISP off. You would simply not deliver anything anywhere due to IP being blacklisted by default.

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    [–] 83 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    It's why SMS still exists too. It's from an era where everyone just used open standards instead of trying to create their own thing for money. Big tech conglomerates like we have now didn't exist. The state of the tech industry and it's proprietary standards is absolutely fucked.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Google is trying to kill SMS. My new android by default has sms disabled, defaulting to RCS with "try sending sms instead if rcs fails to send" option being off by default, which makes no sense from user perspective

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    RCS is actually a huge improvement over SMS, as it is fully encrypted. One of the few times I've ever approved of something Google did...

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If only it was an open standard...

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It... is? It's an open standard that anyone can use and implement. The main provider is Google and there has been a huge push from them to get Apple to adopt, which they mostly have. It's not 'owned' by any company. It's predominantly serviced by Google, but is in fact an open standard. Google and others have their own format which is how they and their apps interpret and interact with each other, but it is an open standard. There are some backend and requirements for it which stops most from setting it up and implementing off the shelf and just going with Google, but you absolutely could use and make your own format with the standard.

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    [–] 76 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Thousands of years after humanity has destroyed itself with nuclear weapons...

    As the sun peeks through the gray clouds and lights up a solar panel...

    A long-forgotten server hums to life...

    And sends an email...

    "Attention Required: Your Order is Delayed"

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  • [–] 75 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Sidenote: Remember when having an email address was enough, you didn't have to have a fucking phone number as well? Stop trying to de-anonymize the internet, you're making more problems than you're solving

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    [–] 54 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    It’s because it isn’t a silo?

    Discord, Slack and a bajillion similar apps do not meld with other apps. Email just happened to hit critical mass before “let’s try to get a monopoly” became the slogan of all tech, and collectively Big Tech is too stupid/hostile to replace it with some cooperative protocol.

    iMessage is another pure example of this.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    There are tons of open messaging protocols that have been replaced by closed ones. For instance, Discord shouldn't be a thing since IRC exists, but Discord exists and is very successful.

    For some reason, likely tied to how it is used, email survived as an open protocol.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    For instance, Discord shouldn't be a thing since IRC exists, but Discord exists and is very successful.

    IRC lacks a massive amount of features that discord users typically want. Screensharing, VCs with group and camera support, built-in history (don't need to use a bouncer like on IRC), built-in online GIF searcher and sender with one click, huge community of bots that use discord's API to do anything from games to moderation.

    It isn't even close.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Mail has the big advantage of being totally cross platform. And it works, basically everywhere.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    It's an ongoing debate in one of the projects I work with if we should move to a more forge oriented development process. For all it's faults email does provide a good record of discussion as well as evidence of review.

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    [–] 24 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Reality is everyone has an email, and everyone will keep having an email. My 10 year old has an email so they could sign up to epic and steam. You basically need it to use the internet at all. So of course it will survive.

    Outside of business though, when was the last time you sent an email to someone you know?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    My mother uses email for nearly everything. I'm 31 now, but in high school she'd email me from the basement that dinner is ready.

    Just last month I received this... we chat on WhatsApp and phone calls regularly as well.

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    [–] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I guess that's why someone decided to build a chat app on the email protocol and infrastructure.

    https://delta.chat/en/

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    [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    I hope the Fediverse will prove similarly resilient.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I still have a weird email friend who refuses to chat over any apps and I totally can respect that. :)

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I work in B2B IT support, and email is designed to be very async, and for the most part it still is. What I can say with certainty is that business folks expect email to be instant like synchronous platforms are... It's not, it never will be... It's gotten about as close as it can be, but it is not, and will never be, instant delivery, no matter how much they want it to be.

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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    IRC and forums as well to a lesser extent.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You can do it from a terminal. Us Linux kids will never let it die.

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    [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    asynchronous

    Any form of text based communication is asynchronous

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    IMAP is useful. POP can crawl back to the bowels of hell from whence it came.

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    [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Also Usenet. Still around after decades. As long as people are hosting news servers, it will stay. The original decentralized protocol.

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Something could replace it easily if they tried to use the open standards and decentralized system like email has. But tech companies have gone too greedy, they won't make anything that works with other tech companies. Every one of them are trying to pull users to themselves. Now we have people with account in 5 different websites to communicate with different people instead.

    It is sad how far the technology has come. It'd allow so much improvements in quality of life and yet it'll all being used to extract more money, making life shittier.

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    It seems like a category error to compare email to Discord or Slack. The latter two are distinct companies and not protocols.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You're right in theory, but in practice the point is that email survives because it's not a closed, proprietary protocol.

    Unfortunately I don't think the issue is quite so simple. We used to have open chat protocols that were slowly strangled by big tech until only their solutions remained.

    I think the biggest problem is simply user apathy, if users cared more we wouldn't have the whole US green/blue bubble problem

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