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In password security, the longer the better. With a password manager, using more than 24 characters is simple. Unless, of course, the secure password is not accepted due to its length. (In this case, through STOVE.)

Possibly indicating cleartext storage of a limited field (which is an absolute no-go), or suboptimal or lacking security practices.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Then again, there's not much point to super long passwords. They'll be turned into hashes, commonly of 128, 196, or 256 bits length. When brute forcing, by a certain length, it's pretty much guaranteed there's a shorter combination computing to the same hash. And an attacker doesn't need your password, just some password that computes to the same hash. With 256 bit hashes a password with 1000 characters isn't more secure than one with 15 in any meaningful way.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What's the point? no one is brute forcing a 12-15 password if the login system has ANY login attempt protection anyway.

This seems like one of the extreme overkill things...

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

24 is fine, not as bad as 12 and no special character. That's honestly the worst one i've encounter.

my bank app doesn't allow copy paste so i can't have anything that long and hard to type, and they tend to request password login when transferring money.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I had this problem with a fucking bank once. Even better are the sites that silently chop off characters after the internal limit, on the backend, but don't tell you or limit the characters on the frontend. I had a really fun time with that last scenario once, resetting my password over and over and having it never work until I decided to just try a shorter password.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

And then they store it in plain text anyway...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

In my opinion, an acceptable password length should be L in ln(alphabetSize^L)/ln(2) = (B bits of entropy). For a Bech32 character set (since it excludes ambiguous characters), alphabetSize = 32. A good password should have been 96 and 256 bits of entropy, with 128 bits being my personal preference. This means L = (B)*ln(2)/ln(alphabetSize) = 128*ln(2)/ln(32) = 25.6 = 26 characters.

That's… pretty close to what OP said they were restricted to, so maybe the person who set the 24 character restriction used a similar methodology.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

26 characters? Perfect!

abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz it is! And I'll use it for everything!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

That's the combination to my luggage!

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