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[-] [email protected] 158 points 2 months ago

"It turns out not burning a bunch of fossil fuels leads to less pollution"... news at 11.

The really dumb part of all of this is that people have just accepted cars as the default mode of transportation for so long that it's hard to even envision a world without them. They're normal, despite being expensive, dangerous, horribly inefficient, killing people actively (crashes) and passively (air pollution, plastic in our lungs, parkinsons/dementia, obesity, and more), and directly contributing to isolation in our communities. Every car we can get off the road, especially in our cities, makes the world a better place.

[-] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

people have just accepted cars as the default mode of transportation

That wasn't an accident and it didn't just 'happen;' it was the very deliberate result of a combination of automobile and oil industry propaganda and US government policy back in the 1930s-1950s, motivated by several factors ranging from utopian modernist city planning to good ol'fashioned racism.

Some random sources to get folks started:

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

there's also the argument that pushing to distribute population centers away from cities forced the soviet union to manufacture larger and more numerous atomic weapons to maintain parity with US capabilities.

not in the "hey we want to save as many people" way it's portrayed, more like, let's make it harder for the sov's to equal the potential megadeaths we intended to dish out

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

…And we’re totally not moving to suburbs because we’re racist.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

After I've moved I could technically do everything using public transport and bikes

The issue is that public transport is literally more expensive than a private car for me in the Netherlands (as I get a company car)

[-] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

Perhaps ask the company to reimburse you for the transit costs rather than providing the car? I'm sure they would love to save the money, and let you continue to save the money the car was saving you.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Even with a privately owned car, driving somewhere is often still cheaper than public transport here. Including when factoring in maintenance. The only thing that might offset it when driving alone is parking costs.

Every time my wife and me want to visit a city I look at train tickets as it would be convenient to just get off the station in the city centre, only for me to realise that I’m way better off just driving there, and then use buses/metro to get around the city itself.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

The crazy thing as well is that especially after COVID people will use the isolation of cars as a positive. You have people who don't like transit cause they would have to be near other people. Which just shows how crazy isolated and disconnected from our communities we are in the US atleast.

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[-] [email protected] 86 points 2 months ago

Just one more lane bro. I promise bro just one more lane and it'll fix everything bro. Bro, just one more lane. Please just one more, one more lane and we can fix this whole problem bro, bro c’mon just give me one more lane i promise bro, bro bro please! Just need one more lane

[-] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago

Fact: 99% of city planners quit one lane before they fix traffic

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Average lane-brainer argument

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[-] [email protected] 60 points 2 months ago

France isn’t perfect or without its own problems (or fucking right-wingers), but damn overall they’re really crushing it lately.

(I wonder how hard it is to emigrate to France…)

[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago

It depends : are you white ?

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[-] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago

is that bread or masochism?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Does that actually make it easy, or just less hard?

(Je l'envisage sérieusement, d'ailleurs.)

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[-] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago

Although it is good that they added riding bicycle lanes I doubt that is the only reason for the lowering of pollution.

Not only do we have electric and hybrid cars, due to euro standard combustion engines have become a lot cleaner during the same span of time. Plus public transport has also become a lot better during that time.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Yeah, car restriction is the key. Then you must plan for people who needs to move. Cars don't belong to the city, only for leisure trips outside.

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[-] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago

It's good that you included the source because without a scale this meant fuck all.

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[-] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago

This graph is HIGHLY misleading as it doesn't include the time in 2019 when Notre Dame's pollution was much higher for a brief period of time.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I was confused for a moment.

Click to see the reason why Notre Dame had much higher pollution for brief period of time in 2019.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_fire

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[-] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago

Woah, woah, keep it down lads. There's Americans around who can't handle this kind of information!

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I’m an American who wants European style cities and public transport because it’s actually better for drivers, too.

Germany has zero speed limit on some highways because of this.

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[-] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

They installed efficiency modules to reduce biter expansion?

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

That sounds nice but oof 4% turnout.

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

Thanks for posting source, OP!

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

Keep seeing this picture but no control group. Give me the same data for a French city other than Paris to understand whether this is about local policy change or about emissions standards and the move to electric cars.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Googling tells me DEF (diesel exhaust fluid) was required in 2015 in Europe. Other posters have said this graphic is NO2, which is what DEF reduces.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

There's no legend. This is a worthless image

[-] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago

I posted this somewhere in the comments already, but copy pasting it to be helpful:.

Op cut it out for some reason, but it is in the linked article. Here is a screenshot of the 'y-axis':

[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Legend? This is an image of Paris transforming from an active volcano into a radioactive site.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Also no control group to determine whether this was due to bike lanes like the post title claims

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

c'est magnifique.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

This is the same thing as a graph where the y-axis doesn't start at zero.

[-] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago

Op cut it out for some reason, but it is in the linked article. Here is a screenshot of the 'y-axis':

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

How much of this was dieselgate and DEF fluid?

DEF: Googling say DEF was implemented in 2015 in Europe. Other posters have clarified the map shows NO2, which DEF reduces by "up to 90%"

Dieselgate: Also 2015. "On 29 September 2015, Volkswagen announced plans to refit up to 11 million affected vehicles, fitted with Volkswagen's EA 189 diesel engines". Affected cars emitted 40x the legal NOx levels. It also accelerated EV offerings. Also increased testing and scrutiny.

Yeah I'm leaning more towards this being dieselgate and DEF.

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