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I'm out. This "news" is utter trash. Shame on anyone who upvoted this out of "feels". Some of you are no better than MAGA, popularizing garbage because it fits your view. Fucking be better.
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If the perception of your country falls below that of a suppressive, authoritarian dictatorship then you are either a despicable asshole country or a dictatorship yourself.
Or both.
USA us now classified as chaotic evil. Never know what wacko stuff is going to happen today.
China is more lawful evil. It has its own logic so you can at least anticipate on what it's gonna do and work with it.
The PRC has a pretty clear ideological basis. Many of its leaders have written theoretical works about economics and governance. The direction might veer one way or another over the years but it's the same party running the show. So at the end of the day, one thing they have going for them is consistency. You can know what to expect. From an international perspective, they're an appealing trade partner.
The US ran a pay-to-win popularity contest to give the keys to a reality show failed-businessman backed by a weird mix of alienated mega-millionaire and billionaires who clearly have little idea of how the levers work, alongside the vicious selfish bigots who ally with them. It was already an inconsistent system for a long time, but now there's no more facade of professionalism to keep them half-rational. It's pretty much the 1930s all over again.
"Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce."
Life expectancy was already below China for a decade
Tankies must be celebrating.
On the other hand, this isn't exactly news to them. Countries outside of the Western world and Asian neighbors have been siding with China over the US for a while now, probably due to all the invasions and coups.
Countries outside of the Western world and Asian neighbors have been siding with China over the US for a while now, probably due to all the invasions and coups.
And the targeted application of soft power.
A game which the US also used to play, but has recently decided to rapidly abandon.
This is a pretty simplistic take. A western tankie take if you will.
Many countries in Asia have suffered from invasions and conflicts with China.
Many countries in Asia have suffered from invasions and conflicts with China.
Yes, that's a reason why some don't side with China.
Africa and the Middle East and South America and other Asian countries didn't have conflicts with China (in fact, they're typically invaded by European countries and/or the US) and so have tended to side with China.
I don't see where we're disagreeing or how what I said was any more simplistic than your reply.
Your post implied that all countries outside of the west sided with China when this is clearly not true. I am so adamant about the because I have first hand experience with this.
Even in Africa there is a lot of pushback among the population (not necessarily the elites) against Chinese imperialism. Sri Lanka is another example where there is a measures of opposition to jingoistic Chinese meddling.
Your post implied that all countries outside of the west sided with China when this is clearly not true.
I didn't mean to imply all countries, and it's my mistake for phrasing it like that, sorry.
Even in Africa there is a lot of pushback among the population (not necessarily the elites) against Chinese imperialism. Sri Lanka is another example where there is a measures of opposition to jingoistic Chinese meddling.
That's true. It's also important to note, at least with Africa, that there is also pushback against ongoing European imperialism, so when it comes to a "do you prefer US or China more" situation like OP, they might still pick one of them while also giving pushback.
My bad, a little misunderstanding on my part.
We are good.
Consider more recent history, since 2000 what countries have China invaded?
China has conflicts with countries like India and Philippines. China backs the brutal junta in Myanmar. China invaded Hong Kong.
China invaded Hong Kong
lol, what? the british just returned lands they stole, after a century's worth of exploitaition
Hong Kong?
Hong Kong was leased for 99 years and then reverted to being a “special administrative region” there was no invasion.
The U.S. invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and provided military support for war crimes to Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt.
this ain’t the win you want
unfortunately no green haired left wing 'queers for Uyghur' about for some reason…
I have literally no idea what you are trying to say with that? Is queers supposed to be a verb in that sentence?
I’m not saying china is good, I am saying America is bad even in comparison to China in many ways. The U.S. has become culpable for the atrocities being committed by Israel and El Salvador and that is just this year. In recent years they got the atrocities being committed in the Middle East and before that South America and south east Asia
Is queers supposed to be a verb in that sentence?
It's a pisstake of 'queers for palestine', i modified the post to make it a bit clearer
I’m not saying china is good, I am saying America is bad even in comparison to China in many ways
And I'm saying that's going to be a tough fight even on a good day (and I'm saying this as someone who doesn't like the USA very much)
When you become a global superpower you get to swing your dick about, just because China has been busy with the Century of humiliation for the last couple of years doesn't mean they're all meek and mild
They send weapons to Pakistan (which is practically a terrorist state), fund and do deals with the Taliban (who are a terrorist state), team up with warlords all over Africa, and not to mention 4 days ago Xi was in Russia standing side by side with Putin who is an authoritarian dictator currently invading Ukraine?
'Friends of steel': Xi and Putin pledge to stand together against US
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-greets-chinas-xi-kremlin-2025-05-08/
And of course the highly likely upcoming invasion of Taiwan
Taiwan's largest annual war games, held to simulate responses to a possible Chinese invasion, **will publicly assume a full-scale attack for the first time in 2027 **
What the US does globally can be bad but I'm not seeing much to suggest China is any better
Your reasons for why China is worse than the US is that they are doing the same stuff as the U.S.?
China is threatening an invasion of Taiwan, US is threatening an invasion of Greenland.
The US funds terrorist groups around the world, China funds Pakistan
If the US and China went BAND FOR BAND, as the kids say, in war crimes, terrorism, coups and overall destabilisation, who do you think would win? Do you even live in this world? America, a European colonial project that developed into its own monstrosity, has the blood of the world on its hands just like its forefathers.
The difference is that, with the evolution of the internet and with the waning power of the US (specially after their Middle Eastern neo crusades that showed America to be a bit of a paper tiger, and now with the incapability of NATO to defeat Russia), and as the majority of non-Western countries seek independence from neo colonial control (check Ibrahim Traoré out!), the narratives can be openly challenged. The only remaining bastions of consumption of American propaganda are America itself (it will only grow stronger there, I assume) and tiny spots of confused folks around the world (a coworker who's a bit of a schizo told me the other day "Trump will save us" and we're French! 🤷😅).