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[–] [email protected] 69 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Don't take this the wrong way, but fuck your business model. The internet was supposed to be open and be ours, and you stole it for profit.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

To be honest: you can still make your own website, and in many ways big companies are actually making it easier through open-source projects and stuff like Let's Encrypt. The web industry is remarkably open compared to what big companies do in other industries. A lot of the standards meetings and stuff you can just go to and give your opinion. Or ignore the standards and fork it yourself. This alarmism I fear will make people not take the actually alarming things like encryption bans or ID requirements seriously.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Only for some things, though. If you host your own e-mail these days, chances are, you're going to have a very difficult time sending them anywhere without risking them being deleted, or automatically thrown into spam folders.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

True, but sadly that's because of what became a genuine user safety concern

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Because, as user sfled pointed out...

The first spam email was sent in 1978

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

also independent of that, fuck cloudflare

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago

And fuck the region-blocking that often comes with cloudflare.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Letting Google break the law for years with illegal anti-competitive practices is now hurting everyone else's ability to earn money.

I wonder if we have the combined will to do anything about it, or if we will wait and hope the invisible hand of the market will fix it....

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

if we will wait and hope the invisible hand of the market will fix it....

Have we lost faith in our handsome businessman? /s

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago (6 children)

nobody is going to want to create new content when they get paid nothing or almost nothing for doing so.

that's a lie

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago

so basically back to internet 1.0, sounds good actually.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Old youtube was a pretty cool place and nobody got paid

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[–] [email protected] 224 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The Web was much better and more useful back before it had a business model. Good riddance.

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Yeah well maybe the web shouldn't be a business

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 days ago (16 children)

god what I wouldnt give to go back to the days of the mid 90s, when the internet was nothing more than a collection of tech weirdos, with websites being nothing more than passion projects with no advertising, no SEO, no search engines, etc etc.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago

America: "No money = no purpose"

the o'l capitalist shalamalama ding-dong...

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This is all extrapolated from google's self published survey of how their users interact with their search results. Approximately 60% of users don't click anything after a search. Personally I think that is because users have found their results to be seo garbage and not worth clicking on... but that's just my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I've watched a lot of students do a search after I tell them to research something, look through a few of the summaries, then look at me in defeat. I have to tell them to actually click some links to try and find an answer

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I went to college for networking but the most productive class I've ever had where I learned the most about the internet was instead back in high school. This teacher would make 20 page packets with the most obscure questions like what's the weight of model number 62xRG4 (some obscure car part or something) and he told us to google it. We would spend entire classes just searching for information we would never use, but it drilled into me how to go about finding the information I need. It's been utterly invaluable. Thank you Mr Ward.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Of course they don't click anything. Google search has just become a front-end for Gemini, the answer is "served" up right at the top and most people will just take that for Gospel.

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[–] [email protected] 129 points 3 days ago (3 children)

For a glorious second, the entire world was able to communicate as one.

Then we catalogued every accessible reservoir of culture and knowledge, mined them bare, and refilled them with slop.

A global collective consciousness, hollowed out, replaced with static. No signal. Only noise.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I really non ironically miss the friction of the old internet.

I prefer how it took time to find some bare HTML university website, slowly browse through an index as if it was a book, and then find one non-SEO optimized page with all the information you needed on a topic for your research.

The time to browse, being exposed to other terms, having to select the pages yourself, being skeptical by nature, and then having to copy it by hand... This is a much more positive scenario than having a gigantic company learn everything about you and everybody else and then make these decisions for you, using some hidden algorithm, and with the ultimate goal of pushing their newest process. And of course, the content has been rendered virtually useless to appeal to that algorithm.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

when the internet was a wild and unexplored frontier, and we were adventurers charting the unknown.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

maybe their business model. trust me. they'll find a way to monetize the zero click internet too. then it's back to square one

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I believe this is why tech execs and investors are so hot on pushing AI into everything. They’ll control everyone’s digital experience and you can 100% count on being force fed ads and paid propaganda. Embrace, extend, extinguish

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago

Yeah, so much for all those promises of disintermediation being a benefit of the web.

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[–] [email protected] 160 points 4 days ago (13 children)

So you’re saying the ad driven internet will die? And we will be left with what? Wikipedia and Lemmy? I for one welcome our AI overlords!

[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children)

Nah, it’s saying that ad and AI-driven internet will prevail. People only use Google to find an answer and don’t dig deeper, and if they do, it’s often because the links are sponsored. People using GPT’s are even less likely to click a link. Currently no ads, but just wait.

Apologies if you were joking.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago (4 children)

"what should I do if I'm going through severe emotional distress? How to choose a good psychiatrist?"

ChatGPT: "I'm sorry to hear that you've been going to a stressful situation, it's always worth talking about your feelings. I've come up with a plan to help you:

1 Purchase an ice cold Pepsi Black™ from a Pepsi official supplier"

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Good. Maybe we can go back to paying for our services instead of getting tracked everywhere we go.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 days ago (4 children)

That’s not what will happen. We will have to pay AND be tracked. They are not going to give anything up.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

When Orwell predicted universal surveillance he never anticipated that the people themselves would install the cameras, let alone pay a subscription.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Are they still defending the fact they host Stormfront?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

Everyone is too busy doomscrolling TikTok to notice.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Can someone check in with the inventor of the web and ask him what the web's business model is?

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The web doesn't have a business model, cloudflair, you do. And nobody cares because you suck.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Eh, Cloudflare provides a pretty good service for a very reasonable price.

But yeah, the web doesn't have a business model in the same way a town square doesn't, yet you can make a business work in both areas. Make a compelling product and people will pay you for it.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Cloudflare already ruined the web way before AI was even a thing.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

I didn’t come here for heartwarming stories; yet here I am.

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