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U.S. declares military zone around El Paso, allowing soldiers to arrest migrants
(www.texastribune.org)
Americans heard "liberty or death" and said "death please!"
this post was submitted on 07 May 2025
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If only. If I knew an ICE employee I would consider it my personal duty to make their lives living hell.
"The president gets expanded powers during an emergency"
"The president gets to declare what is an emergency"
Thanks Supreme Court and Congress. Who could have ever guessed that this system would be abused by an authoritarian. 🤷♂️
... This is unironically what all the rightwing conspiricists have been afraid of for two+ decades now.
This is what they thought Clinton, or Obama or somehow the UN or 'ZOG' would be able to use as the mechanism to instate tyranny.
... And now they are doing it themselves, so utterly deluded that they would short cicruit if you tried to explain this to them.
I grew up in a right wing nutjob household. This is what I was told my whole life, growing up. I was indoctrinated into it, and had to deconvert myself out of it similar how I had to deconvert out of christian extremism.
These people are perfect hypocrites.
Remember Jade Helm? They thought Obama was going to use military exercises to take control of Texas back in 2015 or so. Gov. Shitstain even made some comment lending credence to the theories. Now there’s a president using the military to control parts of Texas and they’re cool with it.
Yep.
Thats another prime example of them literally doing essentially exactly their paranoid fears.
Oh howabout FEMA death/concentration camps?
... Well, FEMA is probably fucking over, but the plan for migrants, suspected migrants, and the homeless.... literally is send them all to prison camps, and if we don't have enough capacity, build more pop up semi permanent structure camps on the outskirts of major cities.
They became lost, staring into the void, and now are the monsters they dreamed of.
They were worried about those things because they knew what they would do if they had the power.
Selfish, emotionally immature, fearful idiots believe that everyone else is like them, and is just lying about not being so.
Therefore, all those 'other people' are devious liars who are more crafty then 'us', so 'we' must outscheme 'them!'
... all of this shit is literally scientifically verified.
The more conservative you are, the more likely your brain make up is to respond out of fear of potential loss, to shut out disconfirming informstion... as opposed to the potential gain of trying or exploring something new, that causes you to confront whether or not you may be wrong.
Yup, and you can make people more conservative by blasting them with propaganda about how scary "the other" is.
This exactly. It was their guilty fucking conscious driving their narratives.
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MAGA follows only a handful of rules, one most prominent is "it's only bad if you do it. If I do it then it's Morally Correct™©®."
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Every accusation is a confession for them. They've been telling on themselves for decades.
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Congress needs to pass a law requiring that any national emergency needs to be confirmed by a super majority of both the house and Senate within 15 calendar days of declaration. Or from 15 days of the passage of this law, whichever is later. An ongoing national emergency must be renewed by Congress before the sixth month of its declaration, but no earlier than it's fifth month. Then on a yearly basis starting from the anniversary of its declaration.
Failing that, all emergency powers the president wields are revoked.
In a true emergency, the assemblage of Congress is not an onerous task. Nor is the vote.
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Buy guns. Help others buy guns. Train. Help others train.
Listen, if it makes you feel safer, by all means get your guns.
But this isn't some individualist enterprise. You're not Rambo. Owning a gun is not going to save you from the police, much less the military
This the stupid kind of thinking that will lead you smack into a full blown dictatorship.
Trust me as a Cuban. USE YOUR FUCKING GUNS before all you have left is pots and pans and then tell me how that works out.
Wtf is the military gonna do? Kill 200+ million Americans fighting? Then america will be nothing.
If the military wants to target citizens then its full out war.
America bows to no king or tyrants per our constitution.
Buy your guns people dont be a coward its your constitutional right. Don't be a coward and be like oh no tanks and military.
See I have a problem with cuban Americans saying they never want to live under a dictator again and then coming here and voting for a dictator and the party that wants absolute control of everything we do
Yep Miami is full of those ignorant ass Cubans. Same with Venezuelans left their shit and voted for Trump.
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That's where the "help others buy guns" and "help others train" comes in. The approach to this on the right vs the left is very different.
Check every resistance group story world wide.
- never surrender your gun or get one
- if they start bombing you use tunnels
- it is better to die fighting, than having a slow death by a system that exploit you to make the rich richer.
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Step 1) buy guns
Step 2) train and organize
Step 3) ???????
Step 4) peace and prosperity
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I’d love for any military officer involved with this to explain why this isn’t a flagrant violation of the Posse Comitatus Act
This is why "Command said the latest military zone will be part of the Fort Bliss Army base in El Paso."
Effectively what happened was the land was turned into a part of the base. At every US base there is a line usually shortly before the gate, sometimes only at the fence line where you are considered "on base". Once you are on base military police can arrest you since they have jurisdiction on base. Kinda like how if you commit a crime in an unincorporated area, the sheriff will arrest you, not city cops since that's their jurisdiction.
Frankly though this type of move is unprecedented, as far as I know. While the fed can just give fed land to bases, I've never heard of it happening like this. It's a loophole to keep it legal on paper but not in spirit.
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Never forget this: Everyone participating and 'just following orders' is also responsible, from the highest bureaucrats and generals to the lowest public servants and soldiers. Couldn't have a death camp without everyone greenlighting and then Private John Doe following orders and building it.
Good fucking luck, USA. And may god have mercy on your souls.
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But doesn’t everyone have guns?
Never saw that coming! /s
This is troubling in several ways. If it is allowed to continue then I foresee "military zones" on college campuses and many other places.
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