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Our instance explicitly disallows and bans bigotry, and he’s going around posting this shit
Also note that basically everyone banned for bigotry on lemmy was from beehaw, sopuli, feddit and other lib instance. Even Dessalines activated when the shitlibs started malding about being banned and told them it is how it is.
exactly it's racism and thinly veiled hate speech central over there (I dare you to find one positive post about China), and yet this is the excuse they use for defederating from us? I wish Dessalines and nutomic weren't so nice (ironically), they should have been clapped for this awhile ago
Your kind cheers on Russian deaths, calling them “orcs”, then you have the audacity to accuse us of hate speech? Go on, make more orientalist posts about China, and then come back and lecture us on hate speech.
That's almost precisely the point. These shitlibs don't consider that type of speech "political." They have such a warped idea of what politics is. That kind of speech isn't hateful and political in their tiny brains, it's "common sense" and apolitical. Politics for them is exclusively Team Red vs. Team Blue, or whatever the local colours are.
It’s not politics if it’s just common sense. Capitalism is the end of history. It doesn’t get any better than this. Stop questioning so much
(/s)
Gotta love the Lockheed Martin left.
I, I have no words, WE went though all of this, they tried to get us blackballed because we were communists, lead the charge to get every instance to block us because we refused to be liberals, and now they are saying that, our being communist had nothing to do with defederating? Do they expect us to have no memory, or do they expect the new exidus to fall for it, and renew the push on Lemmy.ml and Lemmy.world ect. to blackball us agian. We have and always will stand aganst hate speech and against fascism. If you bothered to listen to us maybe you would know that, but once more all I can say is BEEHAW SHAKES FIST
Too true. Also some lib is lurking here and downvoting, stay mad moron
our being communist had nothing to do with defederating?
Silly tankie. Don't you know that anyone who isn't part of the US state department compatible left isn't a real communist? /j
Do they expect us to have no memory, or do they expect the new exidus to fall for it, and renew the push on Lemmy.ml and Lemmy.world ect. to blackball us agian.
Since we're talking about an exodus of redditors, they might not even need the push to defederate.
the only kind of politics that are banned here are those which enable hate speech such as fascism
What's with all the backlash? They just announced they're banning anything promoting the US state (ergo CIA) or NATO. Sounds like a W to me.
Jokes aside and at the risk of sounding like an armchair intellectual, this is sort of a small scale experiment proving why liberals make peaceful progress impossible. Dating back to the colonial era, they love writing walls and walls of vague idealist text (especially the part about the psychology of internet users reads like a middle schooler padding out an essay) about the moral virtue of their actions to distract from the fact they are shamelessly plundering, murdering and exploiting others. In this relatively harmless case, exploiting the devs ideological conviction and choice to show vulnerability. Using their resources to take the platform for their own, despite quite ironically being in direct in violation of their own conceptions of intellectual property that are supposed to be so non-negotiable.
Maybe that's why liberals are such firm believers in private property to begin with. Not due to principle, but because they project their shameless opportunism on us all; they fear others will do to them what they have done and continue to do to their vulnerable targets of choice.
back to the colonial era
Don't forget the apologism for that era in the OP. A kind of liberal version of 'no ethical consumption under capitalism' but with no concept of working towards a system that allows for the possibility of ethical consumption – outside capitalism.
Highlighting that we can't avoid using tech with problematic roots isn't enough if you're going to keep pouring fertiliser on those roots to keep the rotten tree growing.
The phrase is meaningless unless it implies, 'no ethical consumption under capitalism, therefore we must overturn capitalism'.
Highlighting that we can’t avoid using tech with problematic roots isn’t enough if you’re going to keep pouring fertiliser on those roots to keep the rotten tree growing.
Fucking gold.
How do liberals not suffocate under the burden of their own farts?
Pictured below: Pearl clutching liberals "soft" forking Lemmy with no code changes for "moral reasons"
This is still one of the funniest pictures I've seen to date
Honestly, ban 'em all to a man, tear down their instance, and blacklist the creation of names like it, I say. They wanna whinge, whine, mald, and tantrum about the kinds of people who built this motherfucker for them, the people who had this place warm for them when they first turned up and started colonizing, cool.
They clearly don't need the hard drive space they're taking up. Fuck 'em, fuck their feelings, fuck what flimsy 'convictions' they have, fuck their mealy-mouthed mod staff.
I went from "you're too harsh" to "what a mild opinion" by clicking just two threads on "all".
It's just reddit out there now.
Same bro. The last time I checked lemmy was just lemmygrad, but green.
And not just Reddit, either, it's like... if Tankiejerk and GenUsa had a baby.
Not GenUsa (yet), more like every mainstream sub, tankiejerk and enoughcommiespam together
Wait, chill. Won't comments like this give them an example of "hate-speech" they can use against this instance? If they lie, it's their problem. Hopefully their users realize it, but if not, we don't need to feed into their narrative and prove their point. This is my opinion, anyway.
Edit: I have already been convinced I was wrong. I'll still leave this comment up, despite the downvotes, so that replies still make sense.
From where I sit, they'll take anything that isn't full-throated subordination as hate speech; so why play their game? I literally do not give the first fuck about what they think. You do raise a fair point; but only in the context of if you're willing to play the game by their conditions. Which I'm not.
I stand strongly with you, comrade.
But. Public words matter. And I agree with the other comrade that commented this. We should be able to control our tone to the forum we're in. There's place for easy words, there's place for kindness, there's place for anger.
Front pages in here should be overwhelmingly thoughtful, in my opinion. And then there's a place for trash talk somewhere less front facing, in here.
Plain angered reasoning won't convince many people to hear us.
Edit: actually, I'm wrong this is freechat, fuck them.
In reddit the two red flags were usually "no hate speech" and "no politics". As in "if we disagree with you politically we'll suppress you, and if you try to make a fuss about it, we'll consider it hate speech and ban you".
The other combo was "this is a safe space" and "no politics" as in "this is a safe space to be chauvinistic and racist, but daring to speak out against it is considered politics and we'll ban you".
This fucking clown has hit the trifecta...
Edit: it's very telling how that mod and many of the commenters are considering forking just because lemmy was created, is developed and maintained by "tankies". Safe space my ass...
They fear being treated the same as they treated us on reddit, but they also want to continue treating us like that.
How is that hate speech? Saying you hate an admin team is not hate speech
I just meant it was an aggressive tone, which might put off new members. Also, I might have equated "hate speech" with speech in which you show hate for something (ex, an admin team). Which is clearly wrong looking back, but I won't edit it now.
Do as you will, I just suggest not conflating the two in the future. I think if anything communicating a passionate disdain for people like Beehaw's lying admins (along with Democrats, Republicans, Blairites, etc) would be a positive for new user interest.
What the hell is a beehaw anyway? Sounds like a shitty corporate name for an app nobody needs.
Its almost exactly that
What the hell is a beehaw anyway?
It's YeeHaw appropriation.
I like how liberals will seriously consider refusing free food, if they suspect the anonymous donor has Karl Marx undies. Do they expect to defeat the actual Nazis by politely declining to buy goods made in concentration camps?
Crackpot theory: Beehaw or a conglomerate of lib instances will become owned by an entrepreneur group, then try to pull the good ol' MS EEE on the rest over time. Call it Digg v3.
Is it just a formatting thing or is that just one long ass paragraph?
Formatting issue, it looks fine if you actually go there
Ah alright.
Also holy shit I read through some of those comments.
Yeah it’s bad -_-
yeah, I heard about those people with politics that I don't like, so I logged in and posted a racist picture and they banned me. Here's the picture. You were right, they didn't like it! Smdh. I'm glad that in this space, I can say and do bigoted things because we keep saying #safespace.
Thats a lot of words.
Fortunately, I'm not a liberal, so I've got no problem readin' 'em.
It wouldn't be so bad if all those words were actually saying something with substance.
Beehaw should fork actually. That would be really funny.
unfortunately, they're not quite dumb enough to think they could pull it off
If it wasn't politically motivated then why is Hexbear blocked when it's not even a federated instance yet? You know, the only lemmy in existence that enforces visible pronouns by every single username... Hatespeech? Bullshit.
Holy shit. They did proactively block hexbear.
That's a little telling, isn't it?
How do i put it: I have never heard about ultras et consortes taking over fascist sub on reddit, but at least three huge communist subs were and immediately ML's were purged.
Then they say it's the MLs who coup subreddits.
I created my first account on beehaw, but when i realized that they blocked this instance I created a lemmy.ml account. I engaged with someone on that post who was surprised that hate speech was being thrown around here. I said "it's because theyre marxist leninist, go look for yourself" and they were so confused because there was no hate speech to be found. Essentially they were like "um I don't agree with MLs on a lot of things, but they aren't nazis. So what's the issue?" So I'm positive that there are people being turned away who otherwise would want to interact with y'all.
It's pretty fucked that they are equating discourse here to hate speech because of course people aren't going to do their own investigating. They will just assume that yall are planning the next white uprising and flinging the F slur around.
Yeah it's pretty annoying, luckily I think beehaw is shooting themselves in the head by deferederating with lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works
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What is beehaw even about.
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There should be a list of who is federated with who cause at this point its all just word of mouth.
I saw a sight that showed you a network web but I can't remember what it was called... I'll try and find it again.
Lemmymap.feddit.de