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This question is common throughout the internet, but I'd like to see Lemmy's response.

The country you end up in would be random, you don't get to pick.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 29 minutes ago* (last edited 18 minutes ago)

Now. Especially if I’d upgrade to a life of an average person! I have adhd and recurring clinical depression that cause all sorts of problems, and have done so for all my life. I assume the average would be not to have those, at least not together, I hope. (Edit: but on the other hand the average person would have significantly worse situation, forgot to check my privilege in that regard, so thought I’d explicitly state my acknowledgement here)

But even if I continued as myself, I would 100% choose what I have over a circa 1500 monarch. That’s not even tough a choice to make.

The only reason I can see anyone would choose the monarch life is if they enjoyed (undeserved and unwarranted) authority and power over others. I loathe the concept to begin with, so it’s really not even a choice.

Would I be dead rather than a monarch at that time? Now that one is tougher. I’d probably rather check out the world at that point of time, maybe attempt some sort of progressive rule, but I’d be dead before I can get anything meaningful done, I bet. If not by rivals desiring the crown, then just the lack of antibiotics and whatnot. And if I retain my adhd and depression, yeah, I’m fairly likely to just off myself before soon…

Edit: Continuing from the initial edit above; While I’d probably be mentally more stable and healthy, I’d probably have a lot of other problems that I would rather not deal with. So all in all, I would hope there would be an option for things to stay as they are. I am privileged, living in a privileged situation, healthy other than mentally, so I believe I have it better than any average at any point of history, and furthermore, better than even the richest monarchs back in the time. It is sad that this is the reality, but then again, I did not choose this life, and I suppose the appropriate response to being forced to it, is acknowledge the privileges and try and make the world just a little bit better with what little resources I have as an individual and a member of several social circles and hierarchies.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

Live now. Because 500 years ago I would have died as a child from pneumonia that was easily treated these days

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

yes—I live a crummy individualized american lifestyle and can’t afford to rent an apartment by myself, but at least I got neat toys and don’t have to manage an entire country based on vague hand waving and hoping my generals / confidants / consultants / children don’t have plans to kill me before I sell any daughters to a rival power in hopes of assuaging that looming threat.

That being said, it would be nice if a certain orange man baby met with some renaissance justice just to drive home the point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

back then, but only if I could bring all my knowledge and education I have now. Id actually take over the world

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

you should read Dr. Stone and quickly realize how fast you’d actually die.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Sire, how does this "Smartphone" fuction? The Royal Scientists are unable to replicate this technology.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

It would probably take centuries for the vast industry around chip manufacture to arise, but even without that there's tons of stuff that would be really useful. Like the Haber process, that turns nitrogen and hydrogen into ammonia, which can be used to make more food, or to blow up people.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 14 hours ago

As a woman, I'll stay right here, thanks.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Having a bad/infected tooth and no modern dentistry tech is already a dealbreaker for me. Then there’s all the wars, disease, and lack of sanitation. So no thanks, I’d rather live as a normal person in the modern era.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I do not want to go where there is no anaesthetic

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

Well, first:

then:

[–] [email protected] 6 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I‘d actally choose the monarch 500yrs ago.

Not because it is a better life. Probably I‘d de better off as the average person I am now. But it is absolutely exiting to get to explore and get to know the world. Everything is in a flow, the world is both changing and stable at the same time.

And i wouldn‘t see our world and climate die, i would see it blossom, awaken.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

You’d trip in some mud and die of a million bacterial infections like 3 weeks in.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

I was just listening to Behind the Bastards on King Louie XIV and his building of Versailles and how he forced all the aristrocrats to live there 24/7. You might not be able to reach your goal of exploring and knowing the world depending on where you end up.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

Can I take my chances and live like a peasant 500 years in the future?

I figure either the world won't exist and I dodge all the existential crap that is fretting death, or I get to fly in spaceships like one flies coach today and maybe conditions will have improved for the bottom 10%.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Wish granted, you live in a bunker somewhere deep underground and is witnessing mutated lovecraftian creatures that can't even be explained using today's words.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago

Yeah but are they, like, available?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

Man. Some guys have ALL the luck. 😠

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

No Toilets and ac is a deal breaker

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

AC wasn't really necessary. It was cooler and walls were thicker. I used to live in an old stone farmhouse and when it was 40C outside it was 20C inside.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

What about other way around. Wouldn't it get too cold? They always show ot drafty and fireplaces in every room on tv.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

🎼 Shit on the floor 🎶

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago

Get schwifty

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago

Poop deck lol

[–] [email protected] 12 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah but you'd live in a castle and they stay very cool.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

If there's one thing I've learned from history, it's that the monarchs who didn't constantly plot and scheme were at risk to being overthrown by their noble subjects. I hate politics; I hate incessant meetings, and being a monarch always sounds like just constant meetings, all day, every day. Everyone wants to talk to you, get something from you, scheme with you; and it they aren't scheming with you, you really have to worry, because they're off scheming against you.

It sounds tedious and horrible.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

If you're the emperor, don't let them ruin your groove.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

You could just invent bureaucracy lol, or do we get brain wiped in this hypothetical?

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Definitely now considering I wouldn't have even made it to 10 years old before dying if it wasn't for modern surgery. Would have probably died for unknown reasons to them and I probably would have been marked as having been possessed by some sort of evil spirit or demon if for whatever reason they cut me open and found the weird growth attached to my heart.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 19 hours ago

Live average today for sure. If I was a monarch I'd probably be responsible for the deaths of lots of people both intentionally and unintentionally. There's a big chance I'd have to go to war too and that's like not really my vibe.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Now for sure. I want as much life as I can get so modern medicine is a must. I'm taking 2 different medications without which I would die sooner rather than later, so that's just a non-starter. I at least have a chance of being born in a country with good healthcare today, but that's just not an option 500 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

Can I try the King thing for a week or so, and come back when I get bored?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

100% now, I'm an average person and so many average people I know live a far better life than most kings 500 years ago.

they can travel around the globe at whim, enjoy different cultures, learn just about any subject without restriction and don't have any responsibilities they don't choose to carry.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I see everyone worried about hygiene in European countries. So I would ho with a monarch in an Islamic region because of higher standard in hygiene. Muslims clean themselves Fromm 1 to 5 times a day. Take full baths after having sex. They also avoid eating dirty foods or animals that could cause disease like pigs. They also had a somewhat better medicine and medical practice.

At the time some of the monarch had a good time, and some of them lived in a constant state of unrest.

So if I had to respawn my same territory it would be great. I would have some occasional attempted assaniation or coup but its just a but more than what we see today. But having my own guard and stuff would make me feel less worried. Even if I endup getting assassinated I would have lived a better life than today maybe.

For sure we have many technologically induced freedoms like travel and telecommunications but I don't have the means to travel. But as a monarch, while it would take me longer than today, I would still manage to travel as I want. In fact Arabs are known to be biggest travelers.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (3 children)

For context in 1525:

King of England: Henry VIII (with all the wives)

King of France: Francis I (with all the fighting the Holy Roman Empire and Pope)

King of Spain: Charles V (with all the being Holy Roman Emperor and inbreeding)

Emperor of China: Jiajing (with all the torturing and murdering dissenters)

Edit: I chose these 4 because between them they were monarchs of the 4 most powerful countries in the world at the time, especially Charles of Spain and Jiajing of China but France and England were soon poised to eclipse the others.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I'd like to believe that I have it in me to be a benevolent monarch, but I know myself well enough to tell that I am entirely too human for that.

I'd rather not see how rotten I could get with power unbound, and my current conscience wouldn't let me impose that on whoever I'd be ruling over, so modern-day-meh life it is.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago

Well I'm already doing the former, so I might as well try out the latter.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I’d rather live today. Why? Toilet paper and antibiotics. That’s why.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago

And painkillers!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Current era. No question.

Before antibiotics, the most common cause of death was infectious disease.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 23 hours ago

Modern era. Living 5 centuries in the past would suck. No germ theory of disease so everyone is ignorant regarding the importance of washing hands and basic cleanliness. Anything wrong with you? Better get the leeches to balance your humors. Uh oh, stubbed my toe. Guess I'll just die.

The only caveat is if you get to know what you do now and can transform society because of it. As King I'd either bring about the Renaissance within a decade instead of centuries unless I was branded a heretic by the Church and beheaded for flapping my mouth.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Can we live as neither and poof from existence?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

I would roll the dice on "unethical" (/underground?) brain preservation testing in hopes that maybe in 200+ years things (if it doesn't fully melt down) would suck less. Which honestly would likely be the same as what you've said.

If not? I could probably live in VR if it weren't about digital real-estate. Ideally, flexible living with some purpose, more organics for life support (symbiotic+robust microbiomes) even though I definitely would be mistaken for a robot especially as I could see myself doing rather robotic-seeming things (like tapping into a mycorrhizal network to trade nutrients with trees to get pollutants like nickel).

Can we love as neither

Speaking for myself, outlook not so good. (typo, I know)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

OK, but this could still go either way. Please elaborate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I apologize for not being more clear. I don't think I could live without toilet paper. Looked up how royalty cleaned themselves back then. No thank you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I understand 100%

I, too, do not know how to use three seashells.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

https://www.history.com/articles/royal-palace-life-hygiene-henry-viii

The Western European belief that baths were unhealthy did not help matters, either. Although neat freak Henry VIII bathed often and changed his undershirts daily, he was a royal rarity. Louis XIV is rumored to have bathed twice in his life, as did Queen Isabella of Castile, Herman says. Marie-Antoinette bathed once a month. The 17th century British King James I was said to never bathe, causing the rooms he frequented to be filled with lice.

It was the Sun King himself, Louis XIV, whose choice to no longer travel from court to court would lead to a particularly putrid living situation. In 1682, in an effort to seal his authority and subjugate his nobles, Louis XIV moved his court permanently to the gilded mega-palace of Versailles. At times over 10,000 royals, aristocrats, government officials, servants and military officers lived in Versailles and its surrounding lodgings.

Despite its reputation for magnificence, life at Versailles, for both royals and servants, was no cleaner than the slum-like conditions in many European cities at the time. Women pulled up their skirts up to pee where they stood, while some men urinated off the balustrade in the middle of the royal chapel. According to historian Tony Spawforth, author of Versailles: A Biography of a Palace, Marie-Antoinette was once hit by human waste being thrown out the window as she walked through an interior courtyard.

The heavily trafficked latrines often leaked into the bedrooms below them, while blockages and corrosion in the palace’s iron and lead pipes were known to occasionally “poison everything” in Marie-Antoinette’s kitchen. “Not even the rooms of the royal children were safe,” writes Spawforth. An occasional court exodus could have reduced the wear and tear on Versailles, perhaps leading to fewer unpleasant structural failures.

This unsanitary way of living no doubt led to countless deaths throughout royal European households. It was not until the 19th century that standards of cleanliness and technological developments improved life for many people, including members of royal courts. Today, many European royals still move from residence to residence—but for pleasure, not to try and outrun squalor.

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