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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 minutes ago

To be fair, PDFs suck and the only software that handles them well is paid and proprietary

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 minutes ago* (last edited 15 minutes ago)

Is this some Acrobat functionality or something?

Off the top of my head, there's pdfjam, pdftk and imagemagick (don't forget the --dpi switch) who could probably do that, after reading the man pages. Or ghostscript' gs, if you want to go in-depth.

But generally, just rotate the source material you've got the pdf from. That's how it is intended.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 minutes ago

Smarmy pride in knowing how to rotate a PDF is sounding a lot like "kids don't know how to change a spark plug these days". Tech keeps moving forward. Zoomers are way faster with their phones than you'll ever be, and they know all the AI boosted efficiency features inside and out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 37 minutes ago

Guess me and my partner are exceptional zoomers? Them having a diploma in computer science and i am a software developer

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago

I was pretty worthless with computers at 16 too.

Now I’m almost 40 and I’m working In the industry and slowly getting worse again

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

There's one generation between boomers and zoomers? I'm pretty confident I know who it is you're forgetting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Gen X: the forgotten generation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

X MARKS THE HIDDEN TREASURE

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

The thing is most of us cant even rotate a pdf, but we do know how to learn it.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

YES! being able to google (or read) goes a long way.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Goomers and hoomers and foomers and schroomers are all alike and your generation is smarter.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Eh PDFs are just annoying to deal with. I could do this stuff the adobe acrobat when I had the paid version in school but I'm cheap and no longer have it. If I'm feeling desperate I'll find the ghostscript command that does it otherwise I just do something horrible (for example scanning to jpeg rather than PDF creating an HTML page with both images and printing that to PDF)

From writing a limited amount of code to generate PDFs from scratch the standard is just cursed. It was using 7 bit ASCII until fairly recently resulting in an eighth of the document being wasted space. Also when the switched to PDFs being an open standard the specs went from something freely available on adobe's web site to a challege of how to send 98 swiss francs to ISO to get access.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

PDF24 has been my savior for anything pdf related. I learned about it and suddenly I no longer hate pdfs.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I've trained a lot of 18-22 y/os in the last 10 years and they are fine. Let's not become the boomers please...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

I am a 30 yr old boomer in uni with 18 year olds and they are mostly fine. We are learning programming so the base qualification is to not dumb with computers. BUT My teacher friends are supporting OPs screencap where children do not understand computers at all. Theres plenty of tales of students being asked to log into a 15 minute online test and entire lesson is spent teaching them how to log in one by one. The issue is they click the biggest and flashiest button and quit once they discover it does not lead them where they want to go.

There is plenty more evidence that the next generation is unable to handle anything more complex than most popular apps on phone. Is it really surprising when everything has been designed to just work and be streamlined so you don't have to troubleshoot anymore.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, being dumb is hardware-agnostic. As some guy put it, "being stupid isn't a big deal anymore; some of my best friends are stupid".
It just stunlocks me a little bit as younger people have been around tech their whole life, unlike boomers, who were born before computers.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 hours ago

"been around tech their whole life" more like they have a locked down phone, locked down game console and MAYBE a desktop computer. It's too rounded out and consumer friendly now, you never have to peek under the hood.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Boomers have been seeing changes in communications, culture, and technology as revolutionary as anything in the last 20 years, for their entire lives. Things didn't start getting wild just recently. It has been a romp for the last 200 years.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

Never judge a fish by how well it climbs a tree.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Well yeah I didn't learn at all about computers even in high school, when students did use a computer it was a cheap Chromebook. I bearly grew up with computers and thats the same for most people, the difference is I have autism so I hyprfocus on computers :3

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

The most satisfying joke in Questionable Content is one when robot asks another, 'the hell is a PDF?'

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

The only reason we have to rotate the PDFs is because they can't figure out how to use the sheet-feed scanner. Theres a picture embossed in the thing! And a sign that we put next to the button!

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

I just copied from my phone and pasted to my steam deck. I still got it.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

it depends on the person. some zoomers are great with tech, hardware and software. others aren't. same goes for every generation. this reeks of the "haha let's shit on the younger generations" millennials have been mad about for years

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Yeah I suspect what's happening is that plenty of boomers were actually just bad at tech but they got to use the excuse that they didn't grow up with it. Any gen z people that are bad at tech don't have that excuse so it seems like they're stupid, when in reality there have always been stupid people or people who just aren't interested.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry, but its different this time. A much smaller chunk of gen z is good with tech, and most of them struggle with basic concepts (like filesystems). Saying this as a gen z person.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago

I disagree. I work IT for a living. I fix a lot of devices for gen z but don't often have to educate them on software. the amount of people 30+ who don't realize I as a random IT worker can't magically reset their yahoo password is insane.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Just helped build my 12 year old cousin his first computer and was forced into putting Windows on it. Now, I get that it's important that he at least understand what the "normal OS" is, but I did want to put at least Mint or something on there. Zoomers and Alpha really don't know how to navigate even the basics, though, and this kid was no exception.

Well, technically I wanted to put something based on Arch but even I know that's a bad idea for a sink or swim computer moment.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, schools do not have tech literacy classes and it's devastating, this is why

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I dunno how old you guys are but just in case... Schools never had good computing classes. When I was in school in the UK in the 90s we had MS Office lessons and that was about it.

Actually the UK took steps a few years ago to fixing that. Apparently they have actually computing classes now, but I don't have kids of the appropriate age in school yet so I don't know if it's really as good as we'd hope.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Estonia used to have solid school classes since 2000s and now offers programming pretty early, but overall tech literacy is at an all time low.

[–] [email protected] 95 points 16 hours ago (21 children)

2 generations. Gen X and Millennials are both of the right age to properly understand computers.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

To put a finer point on it, it specifically the younger Gen Xers and older Millennials. That’s the “one” generation this post describes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

That would be the xennials.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

It's not just younger Gen X. I'm oldish Gen X and loads of us were programming computers for fun from the late 1970s on. By the early 1990s you couldn't really avoid computers, and you couldn't use them without at least a basic level of understanding. By that time many of us had been using them for a decade or more. It's those who grew up without computers (before they became common) and those who grew up with iPhones that have a problem with tech.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 hours ago

I know younger millennials and older gen Z and they both can use computers just fine. The oldest Gen Z are nearly 30 now.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I'm on the older end of Gen Xers and at least the nerdier half of us not only know how to use computers, but we've seen the whole evolution of home computing since the Altair. We know in a way you never can why goto is considered harmful.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Boomers: analogue phones and rolodexes. The nerdy ones knew Morse Code, though.

Gen X: grew up with picture books on assembly language programming

Millennials: know how to use Microsoft Word and Photoshop. Perhaps can unfuck Windows Registry keys if needed.

GenZ: “What’s a file?”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Really depends early GenZ was born in the late 90s/early 00s, and I can Attest that there's quite a few who're pretty good with computers. Mostly depends on what you got in touch with at home.

Now, Gen Alpha, I'd say, is on average proper fucked regarding computer knowledge.

Or, more to the point, the generational blocks don't really matter much for this, but there's certainly a declining aclemation with basic OS concepts.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 14 hours ago (11 children)

The nerdy boomers built computers as we know them.

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