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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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The March 14 directive, signed by Attorney General Pam Bondi, uses an obscure 18th-century law — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — to give law enforcement nationwide the power to bypass basic constitutional protections.

According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval. Instead, immigration officers can sign their own administrative warrants. The bar for action is low — a “reasonable belief” that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang is enough.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

This is fucked.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The second amendment says that they can’t

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago

The 2nd is most definitely a recommendation that they tread pretty damn lightly with this one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Listen, your family migrated here like a 100 years ago from Europe... so we'll just assume you're Tren de Aragua. What? No, this has nothing to do with you being an intellectual or a lefty. Now get in the concentration ca-I mean; the extralegal detention centre... yes, that's it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah what you need to do is 2nd amendment some of those house invaders under the castle doctrine of your State

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago

Good to know that a Stetson University law degree isn’t worth the paper its printed on.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 days ago (5 children)

weird question, do i have to be black to join the black panthers

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh, I literally just remembered my Mexican ex-roomie still gets his mail sent to my house

Well, everyone, the gun kept by the door for this exact reason is looking more and more like Im right to have it... Fuck

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Ok let me get this straight. There's no legal migrant anymore?

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Remember when democrats got all heated about G Gordon Liddy saying “if the feds come to your door, shoot them in the head” (to account for body armor)?

I don’t know why that popped into my head just now.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Don't do that.

Shoot them in the dick.

Seriously.

The lower abdomen is chock full o' arteries, and a hit on the pelvis is going to instantly drop someone; you can't walk with a pelvis that's been shattered by a 9mm. It's also generally an easier target.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Are people going to stand their ground when this happens?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's a fair amount of instances of cops no-knocking and getting put on a T-shirt. Honestly, no-knocks were a super stupid concept and never ever should have taken off the way they did. ICE just barging in because "I am the warrant" is going to get a lot more cops pictures posted on GoFundMe

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Oops, thought it was a republican breaking into my house. ICE does love wearing those masks because they know what they're doing is wrong, sorry not sorry.

And it was. I don't like guns, but I live in a shithole with fascists 🤷

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 days ago (3 children)

"According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval."

They're going to have a fun time here in Oregon:

https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.219

"a person is not justified in using deadly physical force upon another person unless the person reasonably believes that the other person is:

(1) Committing or attempting to commit a felony involving the use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a person; or

(2) Committing or attempting to commit a burglary in a dwelling; or

(3) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force against a person. [1971 c.743 §23]"

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 days ago

Put a bullet in the head of an ICE agent, see how many wanna go inside a home.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago

If anyone forces their way into my house without a warrant, they are getting shot.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

By the time they enter, if they do, it will no longer be my home. It will belong to my estate. Fuck this admin. I hope we survive it and learn from it, at least until the next century when we will have forgotten about it again.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (4 children)

For some reason, I keep thinking that people used to booby trap their doors to discourage these types of activities. I vaguely think this was an IRA thing?

Not sure if it actually happened or it was just something from a movie, but I'm curious what would happen after a few ICE raids were turned into meat sauce by door mounted claymores.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The reason it's illegal, is to protect firefighters and paramedics in case they need to enter a home.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago (6 children)

a “reasonable belief” that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang is enough.

Considering they've actively deported someone for having a tattoo that supports autism awareness as evidence of being a Venezuelan gang member, the fact I had a burrito for lunch today is probably an equally "reasonable belief" for them.

This is an alarming suspension of all of the protections of the Constitution if this is allowed to stand.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago

“Fuck your rights.” - the party who claims to love the constitution

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Incidentally, it's perfectly legal to own a mounted gatling gun on the top of your property.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The memo and policy are not meant to survive Constitutional challenge. It facially and clearly violates it:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

No, this is meant to give the veneer of an arguably defensible policy, a temporary measure. And why would that be enough? Well, one possibility is that after a period of time it will not to matter anymore.

When wouldn't it matter anymore? Oh, say - just throwing this out there - if it ties the issue up in courts long enough for Trump to secure permanent dictatorial power after harassing or disappearing political opponents and judges.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago

"Hiel Trump" is required when people meet in public or private. Any hesitation must be treated with aggressive concern and reported to all, immediately. This is the only way to keep America safe from (insert current list of threats).

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