The March 14 directive, signed by Attorney General Pam Bondi, uses an obscure 18th-century law — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — to give law enforcement nationwide the power to bypass basic constitutional protections.

According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval. Instead, immigration officers can sign their own administrative warrants. The bar for action is low — a “reasonable belief” that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang is enough.

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[–] 225 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Well, constitutionally, they can't for whatever that's worth now.

That bold faced liar can go right to hell.

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  • [–] 126 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Looking forward to this being challenged in a state with Stand Your Ground laws where warrantless trespassing is legally the same as any other trespassing.

    I'm personally opposed to lethal force being used to protect property in general, but there are places where that is essentially legal due to Stand Your Ground laws.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Thus far these bozos have demonstrated a pattern of showing up without uniforms, with masks on, refusing to identify themselves, show badges, or produce warrants.

    This is needless to say an incredibly stupid thing for them to do, especially if they plan to also go around kicking in people's doors. I personally know an old man who got off the hook for shooting a state cop in my area who tried the same. I think the only hope the Dummkstaffel here has of making a charge stick against a homeowner who blows one of them away will be to somehow make it Federal, because otherwise I think the state courts -- especially in blue areas -- are not going to treat any warrantless door-kicking by nonuniformed armed men who refuse to identify themselves very kindly.

    Edit to add: You're also not protecting your "property" in such a case, you are protecting your person, which is a very different thing both legally and ethically. If the alternative is that you're going to be whisked away without due process to a death camp in El Salvador, your only rational course of action is to stand and fight -- especially in your own home.

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    [–] 109 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Where are the 2A advocates when you need them.

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  • [–] 77 points 1 year ago

    Silently supporting this... After all the babies we sacrificed at school to keep their guns under threat of tyranny... Well it's freaking here and where are they? Oh being the disingenuous bags a shit they have always been

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    [–] 100 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    uses an obscure 18th-century law — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — to give law enforcement nationwide the power to bypass basic constitutional protections

    ...That's not how the relationship between laws and the Constitution works.

    Journalists don't need to just print both sides arguments and throw their hands up like determining truth is beyond them. Don't print lies and falsehoods without immediately pointing out they're lies and falsehoods. They didn't find a glitch in the system that maybe the courts will patch eventually, they're making up unlawful justifications to violate constitutional rights. Yeah, constitutional rights aren't going to save you from the violation, but we all need to know and establish that it's a violation in advance. ICE could always enter your home without a warrant, they just couldn't do it legally, and a memo from fascist Barbie hasn't changed that.

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    [–] 98 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Republicans would have turned in Anne Frank. This is truly some gestapo shit.

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    [–] 82 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    So... where is that outrage from preppers and gun enthusaists of the government barging into their homes?

    Can you image if Biden, Obama, or even Bush did this?

    There would literally be a massive armed mob outside the White House.

    Turns out guns are useless in the face of propaganda, I guess.

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    [–] 58 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Having read the title and also the whole article.... Let me say. The fuck no you can't. Let's get letigious or let's get the vests. I've got over 200 years of jurisprecisence and the moral high road. We can skip the cultural perogative if you really want to. Or in this case you can endorse it. It doesn't matter to me. as a cisgender white male and, and prolific gun owner, who is utterly tired of this already, let's fuckin go. I've been waiting and i've finally got the perfect set up to tell you how many ways you can blow it out your ass.

    Disgusting anti American anti constitutional blowhards all of them.

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    [–] 52 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    [–] 51 points 1 year ago

    A "memo". A fucking memo. No, this is a violation of the Constitution. Fuck your memo.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Can't wait to see it clash when someone blows away an ICE agent in a castle state

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    [–] 48 points 1 year ago

    Considering ICE likes to abduct people in masks, civilian clothing and without any identification and thus are easily confused with burglars, i'd say shoot on sight for trespassing would be a viable option.

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    [–] 44 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    weird question, do i have to be black to join the black panthers

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    [–] 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    "According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval."

    They're going to have a fun time here in Oregon:

    https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.219

    "a person is not justified in using deadly physical force upon another person unless the person reasonably believes that the other person is:

    (1) Committing or attempting to commit a felony involving the use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a person; or

    (2) Committing or attempting to commit a burglary in a dwelling; or

    (3) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force against a person. [1971 c.743 §23]"

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    [–] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Read as: Enter your home under the false pretense they're looking for migrants, so they can search for any reason to charge you with a crime and toss you in a camp.

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    [–] 36 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    a “reasonable belief” that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang is enough.

    Considering they've actively deported someone for having a tattoo that supports autism awareness as evidence of being a Venezuelan gang member, the fact I had a burrito for lunch today is probably an equally "reasonable belief" for them.

    This is an alarming suspension of all of the protections of the Constitution if this is allowed to stand.

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    [–] 36 points 1 year ago

    “Fuck your rights.” - the party who claims to love the constitution

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Remember when democrats got all heated about G Gordon Liddy saying “if the feds come to your door, shoot them in the head” (to account for body armor)?

    I don’t know why that popped into my head just now.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If a bunch of armed guys in masks show up refusing to identify themselves or provide warrants, what do you think most people would assume they are???

    In a country with more guns than people, this seems line an insanely stupid tactic that guarantees preventable tragedies.

    Warrants get rubber stamped on a regular basis, the argument that it's suddenly too onerous a burden and they're just allowed to ignore our constitutional rights is pretty fucking absurd too.

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    [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The law nerd in me is intrigued by the idea of a Third Amendment issue arising in the wild.

    The citizen in me is horrified that they'd even fucking try.

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    [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The second amendment says that they can’t

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    The memo and policy are not meant to survive Constitutional challenge. It facially and clearly violates it:

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    No, this is meant to give the veneer of an arguably defensible policy, a temporary measure. And why would that be enough? Well, one possibility is that after a period of time it will not to matter anymore.

    When wouldn't it matter anymore? Oh, say - just throwing this out there - if it ties the issue up in courts long enough for Trump to secure permanent dictatorial power after harassing or disappearing political opponents and judges.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Are people going to stand their ground when this happens?

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    [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ok let me get this straight. There's no legal migrant anymore?

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago

    When did they mention migrants at all? The way this is written up is that anyone can be acted upon, all it requires is a "reasonable belief" that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang. And lets face it, if they have their way no one will be checking anyone's documents before, during or after these raids.

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    [–] 28 points 1 year ago

    Put a bullet in the head of an ICE agent, see how many wanna go inside a home.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    If anyone forces their way into my house without a warrant, they are getting shot.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago*

    Like fuck they can.

    I'm not fucking going to El Salvador.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    In California remember you have Castle Doctrine. Protecting yourself, your home, and property from unwarranted unannounced invasions from ANYONE allows you to use deadly force if available

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    [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Reminder that many states have "STAND YOUR GROUND" laws that include protecting you in the event you shoot someone claiming to be a federal agent who doesn't produce badges or a warrant.

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    It's totally fine everyone. Obviously this would only ever happen to poor people or bad people or other people /s.

    Seriously though, where the fuck are all the people screaming about freedom?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Can't wait to hear people like Alex Jones defend this. Can't wait for every sovcit to defend this. Can't wait for every Gadsden flag flag and bumper sticker to defend this.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Enter my home without a warrant or identifying yourself, and your gonna leave in a casket.

    I've also explained to my family that we do not open the door to anyone, especially people who claim to be cops. Way too easy to claim it, then force their way in while your waiting for them to prove who they are.

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    [–] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    And yet people keep telling me Democrats are just as bad.

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