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The March 14 directive, signed by Attorney General Pam Bondi, uses an obscure 18th-century law — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — to give law enforcement nationwide the power to bypass basic constitutional protections.

According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval. Instead, immigration officers can sign their own administrative warrants. The bar for action is low — a “reasonable belief” that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang is enough.

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[-] [email protected] 225 points 1 month ago

Well, constitutionally, they can't for whatever that's worth now.

That bold faced liar can go right to hell.

[-] [email protected] 126 points 1 month ago

Looking forward to this being challenged in a state with Stand Your Ground laws where warrantless trespassing is legally the same as any other trespassing.

I'm personally opposed to lethal force being used to protect property in general, but there are places where that is essentially legal due to Stand Your Ground laws.

[-] [email protected] 89 points 1 month ago

Your opposed to it, but now you also see the sole reason the 2nd exists. If ever the government does something like warrantless trespassing, it's our civic duty to use our 2nd amendment rights to remind them we oppose tyranny. That said, never thought this would happen in our lifetimes. Worlds a changing.

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[-] [email protected] 66 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Thus far these bozos have demonstrated a pattern of showing up without uniforms, with masks on, refusing to identify themselves, show badges, or produce warrants.

This is needless to say an incredibly stupid thing for them to do, especially if they plan to also go around kicking in people's doors. I personally know an old man who got off the hook for shooting a state cop in my area who tried the same. I think the only hope the Dummkstaffel here has of making a charge stick against a homeowner who blows one of them away will be to somehow make it Federal, because otherwise I think the state courts -- especially in blue areas -- are not going to treat any warrantless door-kicking by nonuniformed armed men who refuse to identify themselves very kindly.

Edit to add: You're also not protecting your "property" in such a case, you are protecting your person, which is a very different thing both legally and ethically. If the alternative is that you're going to be whisked away without due process to a death camp in El Salvador, your only rational course of action is to stand and fight -- especially in your own home.

[-] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

Also, the person may go to jail, but dead is dead. The person shot will be gone, and may make others be more cautious, as hopelessly goulish as that thought is. I hope that things calm down and the rule of law returns before things escalate that far. I don't recognize the country right now.

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[-] [email protected] 108 points 1 month ago

Where are the 2A advocates when you need them.

[-] [email protected] 77 points 1 month ago

Silently supporting this... After all the babies we sacrificed at school to keep their guns under threat of tyranny... Well it's freaking here and where are they? Oh being the disingenuous bags a shit they have always been

[-] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

Right fucking here. Notice they're picking on people highly unlikely to fight back? Come for my brown, legal-migrant wife, see what happens.

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[-] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

SRA, strapped at all times. Can’t do much with small numbers

[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My MIL went from being an anti-gun democrat to going with my partner and I for shooting lessons this weekend. It's never publicized, but if you keep your head up, you can see the winds change.

Edit, because I realized I was unclear: This administration woke her up to the dangers of disarming the workers. She's moved farther left.

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[-] [email protected] 100 points 1 month ago

uses an obscure 18th-century law — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — to give law enforcement nationwide the power to bypass basic constitutional protections

...That's not how the relationship between laws and the Constitution works.

Journalists don't need to just print both sides arguments and throw their hands up like determining truth is beyond them. Don't print lies and falsehoods without immediately pointing out they're lies and falsehoods. They didn't find a glitch in the system that maybe the courts will patch eventually, they're making up unlawful justifications to violate constitutional rights. Yeah, constitutional rights aren't going to save you from the violation, but we all need to know and establish that it's a violation in advance. ICE could always enter your home without a warrant, they just couldn't do it legally, and a memo from fascist Barbie hasn't changed that.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

Still waiting on those nuts to step up to what they said they were keeping guns for.

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[-] [email protected] 98 points 1 month ago

Republicans would have turned in Anne Frank. This is truly some gestapo shit.

[-] [email protected] 58 points 1 month ago

Republicans would be the ones looking for Anne Frank.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

The hypotheticals have run out of runway. They're here.

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[-] [email protected] 82 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So... where is that outrage from preppers and gun enthusaists of the government barging into their homes?

Can you image if Biden, Obama, or even Bush did this?

There would literally be a massive armed mob outside the White House.

Turns out guns are useless in the face of propaganda, I guess.

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[-] [email protected] 58 points 1 month ago

Having read the title and also the whole article.... Let me say. The fuck no you can't. Let's get letigious or let's get the vests. I've got over 200 years of jurisprecisence and the moral high road. We can skip the cultural perogative if you really want to. Or in this case you can endorse it. It doesn't matter to me. as a cisgender white male and, and prolific gun owner, who is utterly tired of this already, let's fuckin go. I've been waiting and i've finally got the perfect set up to tell you how many ways you can blow it out your ass.

Disgusting anti American anti constitutional blowhards all of them.

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[-] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago
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[-] [email protected] 51 points 1 month ago

A "memo". A fucking memo. No, this is a violation of the Constitution. Fuck your memo.

[-] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago

Can't wait to see it clash when someone blows away an ICE agent in a castle state

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[-] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago

Considering ICE likes to abduct people in masks, civilian clothing and without any identification and thus are easily confused with burglars, i'd say shoot on sight for trespassing would be a viable option.

[-] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago
[-] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago

weird question, do i have to be black to join the black panthers

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[-] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago

"According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval."

They're going to have a fun time here in Oregon:

https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.219

"a person is not justified in using deadly physical force upon another person unless the person reasonably believes that the other person is:

(1) Committing or attempting to commit a felony involving the use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a person; or

(2) Committing or attempting to commit a burglary in a dwelling; or

(3) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force against a person. [1971 c.743 §23]"

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[-] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago

Read as: Enter your home under the false pretense they're looking for migrants, so they can search for any reason to charge you with a crime and toss you in a camp.

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[-] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago

a “reasonable belief” that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang is enough.

Considering they've actively deported someone for having a tattoo that supports autism awareness as evidence of being a Venezuelan gang member, the fact I had a burrito for lunch today is probably an equally "reasonable belief" for them.

This is an alarming suspension of all of the protections of the Constitution if this is allowed to stand.

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[-] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago

“Fuck your rights.” - the party who claims to love the constitution

[-] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago

Remember when democrats got all heated about G Gordon Liddy saying “if the feds come to your door, shoot them in the head” (to account for body armor)?

I don’t know why that popped into my head just now.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

Don't do that.

Shoot them in the dick.

Seriously.

The lower abdomen is chock full o' arteries, and a hit on the pelvis is going to instantly drop someone; you can't walk with a pelvis that's been shattered by a 9mm. It's also generally an easier target.

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[-] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago

If a bunch of armed guys in masks show up refusing to identify themselves or provide warrants, what do you think most people would assume they are???

In a country with more guns than people, this seems line an insanely stupid tactic that guarantees preventable tragedies.

Warrants get rubber stamped on a regular basis, the argument that it's suddenly too onerous a burden and they're just allowed to ignore our constitutional rights is pretty fucking absurd too.

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[-] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago

The law nerd in me is intrigued by the idea of a Third Amendment issue arising in the wild.

The citizen in me is horrified that they'd even fucking try.

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[-] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago

The second amendment says that they can’t

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[-] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The memo and policy are not meant to survive Constitutional challenge. It facially and clearly violates it:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

No, this is meant to give the veneer of an arguably defensible policy, a temporary measure. And why would that be enough? Well, one possibility is that after a period of time it will not to matter anymore.

When wouldn't it matter anymore? Oh, say - just throwing this out there - if it ties the issue up in courts long enough for Trump to secure permanent dictatorial power after harassing or disappearing political opponents and judges.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago

Are people going to stand their ground when this happens?

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[-] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago

Ok let me get this straight. There's no legal migrant anymore?

[-] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago

When did they mention migrants at all? The way this is written up is that anyone can be acted upon, all it requires is a "reasonable belief" that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang. And lets face it, if they have their way no one will be checking anyone's documents before, during or after these raids.

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

Put a bullet in the head of an ICE agent, see how many wanna go inside a home.

[-] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

If anyone forces their way into my house without a warrant, they are getting shot.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Like fuck they can.

I'm not fucking going to El Salvador.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

Reminder that many states have "STAND YOUR GROUND" laws that include protecting you in the event you shoot someone claiming to be a federal agent who doesn't produce badges or a warrant.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

In California remember you have Castle Doctrine. Protecting yourself, your home, and property from unwarranted unannounced invasions from ANYONE allows you to use deadly force if available

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Enter my home without a warrant or identifying yourself, and your gonna leave in a casket.

I've also explained to my family that we do not open the door to anyone, especially people who claim to be cops. Way too easy to claim it, then force their way in while your waiting for them to prove who they are.

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Can't wait to hear people like Alex Jones defend this. Can't wait for every sovcit to defend this. Can't wait for every Gadsden flag flag and bumper sticker to defend this.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago
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[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

It's totally fine everyone. Obviously this would only ever happen to poor people or bad people or other people /s.

Seriously though, where the fuck are all the people screaming about freedom?

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