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The racism is just so deeply ingrained they don't understand, and there's not much to say about Obama at this point; he's taking the piss and he knows it.

https://twitter.com/coreyjames92/status/1702711788737818791

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"He's so articulate" is genuinely the phrase I'm the most sick of out of the cracker barrel

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

US elections like: Articulate future war criminal vs inarticulate future war criminal.

CHOOSE

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Future war criminal? Yugoslavia would like a word, but unfortunately it got bombed

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Lmao I've never seen cracker barrel used like that, fantastic peltier-laugh

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

They just want real life to be the West Wing

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good thing Lybia doesn't have functioning governance, otherwise how would these NGOs make a buck? I wonder how that happened! 🤔

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago

Bro you bombed them

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wasn't Biden the one who called Obama "clean and articulate?"

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I believe it was along the lines of "he's the first clean, articulate black man to run for president," evidently forgetting that he was in the '88 primary with Jesse Jackson.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

jesus-christ

mostly unrelated but i've always found it funny that when the US decided a black man should be president, they managed to find like the ONE dude that had no enslaved ancestors. fits well with the general ethos of the US.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It must be remarked that he is half white and mostly raised by the white side of his family (I think his maternal grandparents), which explains a lot of his socialization.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

not only white, old moneyed wasps. If you look for his moms yearbook photo it looks like hp lovecraft cosplaying as stepford wives.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

And then the settlers wonder why I call Biden a virulent racist

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That sounds like a PR manager wrote the tweet, not Obama himself

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

Obama would understand why posting this would get him roasted in the comments. 100% some unaware libby marketing grad.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

He’s so well-spoken!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

tfw your white presidents can't speak proper english

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

There is nothing in this picture that has anything to do with what you said.

[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Obama is taking the piss because it was him who was in charge when nato fucking destroyed Libya, murdered Gaddafi, reinstalled slavery, and the country has been fucked ever since.

Had he not fucking ruined the country none of this would be a major problem.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

RIP coronel you were a weird guy

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Remember when he went to the UN with a proposal to carve up Switzerland? Lmao

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

My favorite is that he was in unrequited love with condoleeza rice, binder full of pictures and everything

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you for posting educational stuff and not a pig shit. I never knew any of that. Holy shit. That sounds amazing. I've gotta go look more into this.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Gaddafi was a weird one. By our standards he's a reactionary, he rejected socialism but also rejected liberalism and wanted to find another way that wasn't either. He wrote the green book (inspired by Mao's little red book) going over some of his views.

He deserves criticism, but at the same time there is absolutely no arguing that he wasn't vastly superior to unfettered capitalism. He also experimented with a kind of democracy that hasn't really been done anywhere else ever, this will come across as a surprise to anyone who has heard the ebil dictator propaganda, but that's par for the course when it comes to dealing with how the US portrays its enemies. It is very much worth your time to explore: https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2013/01/12/gaddafis-libya-was-africas-most-prosperous-democracy/

Again I'm not without criticism for him. I fundamentally believe his path was a mistake, and its failure sort of makes that clear. Had he centralised more power rather than implementing this form of democracy he could have kept Libya's nukes, and then what followed would never have happened. I applaud wanting to achieve this level of democracy but think it's a huge mistake and ignored the material conditions in an irresponsible way. It's something worth aiming for, but progressing too quickly in this area leaves gaps for the state to fail that put millions of peoples lives at risk.

Anyway this is one of the reasons why we have a visceral hatred of Hillary Clinton. She orchestrated much of what happened to Libya. And she was proud of it. https://youtu.be/6DXDU48RHLU https://youtu.be/ABdF7dyUIcc

Fucking evil monsters walk this planet. Pisses me off just talking about it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

If we're going to talk evil monsters, let's also add a Clinton friend into the discussion: Madeleine Albright

When asked if she thinks half a million Iraqi children dead to have successful sanctions was worth it she said she does.

The US government is full of little Kissingers.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A reactionary relative of mine (and the lib I work with) didn't want to believe this was true (because Parenti's a socialist), so we googled several of the points and they all came up true and I told them the rest would too. The reactionary relative now wonders what the point of overthrowing Gaddafi was and the LIB is seriously defending it (in a roundabout way; he won't directly say he supports overthrowing Gaddafi, but instead wants to say that the people should have a right to choose their leader) as people having the right to pick their leader; his defense of saying that Gaddafi was bad is that maybe someone could have come around who would have been better.

The reactionary has better politics than the lib, and yes, it's coming from an earnest place of being upset that the Libyan people are suffering needlessly. The lib is instead seriously trying to have a discussion about the importance of democracy when an actual nation of people's future has literally been taken from them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

but instead wants to say that the people should have a right to choose their leader

You should point them on to this then:

https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2013/01/12/gaddafis-libya-was-africas-most-prosperous-democracy/

And when they question the contents of this article. The New York Times article is here: https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/world/africa/20libya.html

You'll notice it still tries to frame him as "authoritarian", but read beyond that and ask questions about these councils and committees, it becomes obvious his leadership was one of popular support in a system that was MORE democratic than representative democracies are rather than authoritarianism. The word "authoritarian" is absurd to use for this system tbh. But that is the word america applies to all enemies of the US.

Keep working on that reactionary you know. In my experience some of the right wingers are easier to reach than liberals if they're mature enough to engage with these topics.

Oh and don't let them forget that every word the socialists said about it was true.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You'll notice it still tries to frame him as "authoritarian", but read beyond that and ask questions about these councils and committees, it becomes obvious his leadership was one of popular support in a system that was MORE democratic than representative democracies are rather than authoritarianism. The word "authoritarian" is absurd to use for this system tbh. But that is the word america applies to all enemies of the US.

Daaaaaaaaamn, I just read the article in the first link you gave; that's extremely impressive. I legit had no idea it was like that.

I'm teaching the LIB about Libya's system and he's definitely surprised and confused; he keeps asking about how people can take Gaddafi's position if they wanted it and I had to keep explaining that his position was without political power, that the country was run by the people and policies chosen by the people, but he kept harping on about Gaddafi because he can't wrap his around wanting to believe the guy was a brutal, authoritarian dictator who silenced dissent and journalists, and people having the political power to alter how the country functions.

I'm not showing him the second link because this guy wants to believe US propaganda in regards to any of their geopolitical rivals, he's not going to question anything the NYT article says. I keep telling him of the political power the people had, even to the extent of rejecting Gaddafi's proposals such as ending the death penalty, and he's still struggling to understand/believe/reconciling what he wants to believe about Gaddafi and what the reality of Libya's government was. This guy wants to trust US empire.

Thanks for the links; daaaaaaamn, I had no idea Libya's government functioned like this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm teaching the about Libya's system and he's definitely surprised and confused; he keeps asking about how people can take Gaddafi's position if they wanted it and I had to keep explaining that his position was without political power, that the country was run by the people and policies chosen by the people, but he kept harping on about Gaddafi because he can't wrap his around wanting to believe the guy was a brutal, authoritarian dictator who silenced dissent and journalists, and people having the political power to alter how the country functions.

This is the main problem with people who trust the media unconditionally as "authorities" that wouldn't ever lie or mislead them. You give truthful structural information to people who's brains are filled with brainworms by the media and they reject it because it doesn't fit with the narrative they have already chosen to believe. Now you're coming up against a barrier of "one of these people are lying and I don't want to believe it's the media" wall.

@[email protected] is probably also tapping for information on this as I think they've been actively reading into Gaddafi recently, I've read some in the past but it's not really fresh in my mind. Comrades just out of fresh reading tend to have extra info and extra criticisms to add.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago

I waited the whole minute and was not disappointed

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is 'dronie' a thing? I'd love that to become more popular as a counter to tankie

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

short answer: if you want it to be

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

It's been around for years but not common. Not common enough.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago

Obama isn't literally taking a piss in this picture. 5/5 Pinocchios.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ah I forgot that some people were still too young to remember what happened in 2011. Back then Obama alongside nato aided France in overthrowing Gaddafi, which led to a civil war and the country breaking down. One of your parents could probably help shed some more light on the matter.

As for the matter regarding the lib's racism, I wouldn't worry about it yet; there'll be lots of time when you hit puberty.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

Why do fuckheads like you come here to defend criminals? Seriously like why?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Have you considered fucking all the way off?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, he might have dronestriked all those civilians, but he could string together a coherent sentence! lord-bezos-amused

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Someone post the Reagan meme