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[–] [email protected] 236 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

They chose to use a stock photo of a million dollars.

$5000 is only 2 and a half of those bundles of $20’s.

These people are trying to run propaganda for Trump, they can’t even keep their fascist bullshit straight.

[–] [email protected] 100 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

but when you look through maga glasses, that's what you see when a black single mom of 2 receives a wic voucher for a couple gallons of milk.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago

You see, its not one black mom, its the millions of moms getting subsidies!

Lets ignore the part where we somewhy have a million moms needing subsidies.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I worked both Brinks type security and for Chase, so the inside and outside. That's not a million. It's probably somewhere between a quarter and a half, but the picture doesn't make it super easy to tell.

Your point is very valid however, they used a deceiving picture on purpose.

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[–] [email protected] 184 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

WE CAN'T DO THAT, IT'S LIKE PUNISHING THE MOMS WHO ALREADY HAD CHILDREN!!!! /s

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

This is literally going to be an argument if people start proposing free daycare/child care :/

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago

It's already been done to college students - that's the parallel I was trying to draw

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

That won’t even cover half of the (insured) cost of even the smoothest birth with my plan, and I work for a multi-billion dollar company.

This country, man. Having traveled abroad a bit, you start to realize how tunnel-visioned people stateside can get. Don’t even realize how much they/we are getting fleeced.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Having traveled abroad a bit, you start to realize how tunnel-visioned people stateside can get. Don’t even realize how much they/we are getting fleeced.

It's the classic of someone having to visit a doctor while in Europe. And they're always shocked at how cheap it is in comparison. Even people who know it's much cheaper tend to think it's like 50% , not 99-100% less. I had an emergency room visit with blood and urine testing, painkiller injection, private exam room, etc.. It took a few hours and was about $25 that you could pay at a machine on your way out.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I was gonna day $5k is just a handout to insurance companies for just the birth of the baby.

Which is, well, the end of Republicans giving a shit about babies and children.

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 3 weeks ago (26 children)

Better Idea, let's fix the economy so people can afford to have Babies.

Or fix the world so we want to have Babies.

Or lower the price of housing so we have a place to put babies.

Or open forced breeding camps, shanty towns and and slave labor...oh wait.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

One of those are more likely than the others. It's the last one.

And you just know the people coming out of those labour factories will all share a visibly distinct attribute - or tint, god help me for saying that - that makes them recognizable as low-caste now as it did in the 1800s.

I hate fearing that is right around the corner. Again, fuck.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

They just cut head start, slashed medicade(51% of us babies are born on this program), no medicade no pediatric care for your baby either, cut hud, slashed the department of education, blocked student loan forgiveness, are dismantling the aca preventative care mandate, gutting worker protections, canceling child labor laws, laid off 275,000 workers and destroyed their livelihood and tanked the economy ……yea the birth rate is going to plummet. 5k lol doesn’t even cover a fraction of the utter devastation coming to American families from these moronic policies. Who in their right mind would want to bring a child into this racist sexist tech bro oligarchy?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And all to fund tax cuts for the wealthy - who don’t need them.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

5000$ is a lot. In Germany you get only 250€

well, that'sper month until they're 27 (as long as they're still in school/university)
plus free healthcare for mother and child
plus free daycare (depending on the state)
plus free schools and universities
...

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

We can all hope once the nazis leave, we too can be a civilized country.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

You forgot maternity leave, something the 'mricans don't know, either.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This wouldn't even cover the hospital bill for most people lol.

And since hospitals know moms will be getting an extra 5k they will just add that into the cost somehow. /s

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 weeks ago

No need to put a /s there

[–] [email protected] 60 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It won't even cover the cost of giving birth. This is some real "how much could a banana cost" energy.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Also, the cost of giving birth will magically jump up by $5,000 as soon as this passes. It was never a function of how much it cost to actually provide that service.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

$8000 if the mother wants to hold her baby after birth

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Clinton Floats $5,000 Baby Bond

~ September 28, 2007

It's nice to know these two are still in touch.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

put into an index fund over the last seventeen years, that $5k is now $30k. it was not a terrible idea.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Of all the people who are so strapped they could receive $5k and not immediately blow it on visa bills and rent, parents aren't even close to the list. $5k into investments? Most of them are either flirting with bankruptcy or engaging in some heavy petting in a corner booth.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago

Not on its face, no. I think it's still a band-aid attached to a bigger problem of generational inequality. Public housing, education, and a large competitive public hiring sector would have gone much farther in rectifying poverty in the US.

But the extra insulting aspect of "Baby Bonds" is that they're an idea dangled over a public hungry for economic reforms which never actually gets delivered. When liberals lose, they get to nag centrists and insist "We had all these good ideas but you were too racist and stupid to accept them". When they win, we get an earful about how the federal courts, the super-majority Senate, the prior administration's mid-level bureaucrats, the state legislatures, and two dozen of DC's biggest lobbying firms all have to agree to go along with it or the reforms can't pass.

Seems like Republicans are getting in on the same act, now that kitchen table liberalism is experiencing a popular resurgence.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The type of person who would think 5k for having a kid is a great deal is exactly the type of person conservatives would bitch about having kids and leeching all the other government resources.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago

Coincidentally, it's also the exact type of person conservatives want having kids. They make up the majority of prison labor, military fodder, and wage slaves.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 weeks ago

Trade:

  • One person's wages

For:

  • Mortgage payments on a reasonably sized house
  • All bills
  • Food for two adults plus children
  • Entertainment

Then you might see more babies.

It was their greed that caused this.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

USA so shit they gotta pay people to make babies here

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

That's a weird way of wording "You'll only have to pay 95K out of your 100K bill of your hospital stay for giving birth"

5K PER MONTH and paying for the full hospital bill would be a great place start. But of course, they aren't really pro-life to begin with.

Pro-Birth =/= Pro-Life

They don't care what happens after birth.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

According to my halfassed search engine results, giving birth costs on average $18,000.

Just the cost of epidural, estimates range from $1000 to $3500 out of that cost.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

As someone who lives in a country where giving birth is free that sounds absolutely insane to me. Are these birth costs in the US at least covered by common medical insurance or is it always that bad? It's a miracle that the US birth rate is one of the highest in the western world when the conditions are like this...

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago

After my son’s birth in 2006, we owed $12,000 after insurance. That was a single night’s stay in the hospital. Nothing out of the norm for the birth. We had to refinance the house the following year to pay off his and our daughter’s birth from 2005.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Wages have not kept up with productivity and GDP increases since the 1970s.

How about making single income middle class families possible again, so you can have one stay at home parent.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)
  • A: This is the 'bad' kind of incentive. My mom worked in a hospital where people would come in pregnant, tons of neglected kids in tow, asking how much wellfare they could get for the next kid. Stuff like vouchers for school, care, healthcare and stuff doesn't incentive that.

  • B: It's hilariously inadequate and out-of-touch. $5K for childcare these days is a joke, even as a nice supplement.

...But that's the point. This is for show, like Trump's COVID checks with his signature on them. It's a brand to tell people "Hey! I'm Trump, and I'm helping you!" directly, a decent idea poorly implemented for PR purposes. It's also hilariously hypocritical, seeing how much 'blank check hand-outs' were criticized for decades.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago

They sure do act like it's the 1930s alright...

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Having a kid will cost you much more than 100grand. Giving you 5k to fuck is such an insult.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Remember the stimulus checks that covered approximately 15 days' worth of rent?

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

My personsl hypothesis is that when couples are living in times of prosperity or growth, they can see a future and can comfortably grow a pension, then they are likely to consider having kids. This also happens to be the time they are getting a share of the wealth society generates.

In recession and uncertain times, couples tend to hold of on getting kids, and if they do get kids, they do it much later in life, when they have saved some money.

Of course couples need free time as well. If both parents need to work full time, it's gonna be a lot less palatable to have kids.

I think the global low fertility is the problem of infinite growth self correcting.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It really is a bummer to have such a legitimately retarded man just riding this country into the earths crust all Slim Pickens style.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

This has been tried elsewhere I believe. It ends up being a gift for those who can afford kids anyway, and does not incease the number of couples deciding to have children. A small gift for upper middle class.

Better wealth distribution however; that works.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So conservatives want smaller government and less taxes but they're totally fine with their tax dollars being used to bribe women to give birth?

So they're stupid?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago

Based on data presented here: https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-true-cost-of-raising-a-child

It takes a minimum of $200K USD to raise a child from birth to 18; which works out to ~$1K/mo.

If the Government were serious in wanting to address the aging population issue, the best way to tackle it would be to provide family funding at this level for a family’s first ~3 children.

Would it be expensive? Absolutely it would be in the initial term - but the increase in economic activity would arguably more than cover it in the long run.

Would it lead to inflation? Not if the costs were derived from taxes due to the government (which currently get dodged), rather than through national debt.

Would it lead to a positive outcome for the nation? Arguably yes, but there may also be unintended consequences to the negative. Human greed knows no bounds, after all.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago

Ah yes, the conservatives plan to boost the birth rate has finally come to bear a rotten fruit:

  • People can't afford to have kids
  • People can't afford to feed kids
  • People can't afford to shelter kids
  • Therefore they won't have able bodied kids to keep the retirement and tax doles fulfilled
  • Nor will they have able bodied soldiers for war

But they're boosting the birth rate! (they aren't, actually, the rate will be even more in decline since the replacement rate in the US was held up by immigration like in most countries, and dumbfuck's actions have brought a stop to that).

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I used to work as a teller at a bank. That bag of money is over 100k.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Daycare is free where I live. It has to be. You can't expect people to pay for public services themselves; that's done with taxes. Corporations can't have customers or employees without people, and to get people to make more people, you have to make it easier for them. So what makes the most sense is cutting corporation porfits, which they don't need past a limit if they aren't investing in things that will benefit the public. So if a corporation isn't doing anything good, raise their taxes, use them to pay for daycare.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Isn’t it like ~$310,000 to raise a kid to 17? That’s, what, 2% of what is needed after the poor child is born? And some woman is going to decide to let a guy nut in her for $5000?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

“White babies only please” —Cheetolini

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