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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Actually, Lavrov did not said that sanctions will be lifted, he said that there will no be new sanctions

Here's the video: https://t.me/zarubinreporter/1302

He's saying here as an answer to "Why Russia is sanctioning DPRK?" basically this: "Russia wasn't sanctioning DPRK, Security Council was. Sanctions were implemented in completely different enviroment, and, as always, the West did not do anything on their part what we were agreing on. Russia and China were lied to, and the West is suppling weapons to South Korea, SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE AGREED WITH CHINA THAT THERE WILL NO BE NEW SANCTIONS ON DPRK"

By the way, I have limited knowledge of English, and also were writing basic meaning of his words, not literal translation

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thank you, I thought this was unfortunately unrealistic and I was right to hold my hype back. Sad but at least they won't add more sanctions.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

It's actually more than that, it means that they plan on increasing bilateral trade and economic ties in a massive way such that the old sanctions will become increasingly obsolete as they will simply develop more and more ways of circumventing them.

In effect the sanctions will still be there (because it's virtually impossible to lift Security Council sanctions ever as the West has veto power) but they will be an empty formality. Make no mistake, these developments that we're seeing are HUGE.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

Announcing this now though, is an indication of intentions. And the intentions are probably to raise trade with DPRK as a first stage. There's also a possibility that DPRK might attempt to join BRICS for trading.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Why exactly was China sanctioning the DPRK?

Also, good for them. The DPRK is a country of enormous potential ideology wise, people wise and resources wise.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't recall the exact details as I believe it was the usual UN demands about DPRK's missile launches, but basically China went along with a round of security council sanctions adopted in 2017, which meant that petroleum exports become more restricted and thousands of people from DPRK who were working in China had to go home and a bunch of joint ventures were forced to shut down as well. However, in 2022, China and Russia vetoed a new round of US-sponsored UN sanctions on DPRK, and recommended lifting some of the earlier sanctions, as they felt the US had failed to engage in its end of diplomacy with DPRK, and therefore the earlier sanctions should be reduced and no further ones should be imposed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

why haven't they vetoed the USs veto of lifting sanctions on cuba that everyone votes for every year for the last 40 years or whatever?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately I don't know enough about that to speak on it

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

It’s UN Security Council sanctions. They are not lifting existing sanctions, just not implementing new sanctions on the DPRK.

In Russia, there are two versions about why Russia participated in the sanctioning of DPRK.

First, is that Russia wanted to appease the West so they went along with the sanctions.

Second, is that China wanted the DPRK to stop developing its nuclear weapons (remember the Chinese leadership has a lot of libs who love America at one point, especially before Trump), but the DPRK didn’t listen (good decision, considering what happened to Libya) so China decided to punish DPRK from the UNSC as a warning, and dragging Russia to go along with it.

Both versions are not mutually exclusive.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

It is worth noting that even as China went along with sanctions, they were arguing for a gentler approach and I think successfully derailed a couple of escalation attempts by the US. They were probably scared of being pushed away from western Bloc countries if they sided too hard with the DPRK, however unjust that treatment of True Korea is.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Even still, kinda odd that China would follow the sanctions on a neighboring country that is friendly to them. Glad to hear that things are changing

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

They were not exactly friendly until the last few years. China was looking to deepen its economic ties with the US and EU, and saw North Korea’s nuclear development as a nuisance to their path towards prosperity. You have to understand that, at least from 2005-2015, China has a lot of pro-Western libs who love America. I cannot emphasize enough how many of my friends saw capitalism as the way forward even as late as 5 years ago.

Of course, Trump gave China the biggest wake up call they could ever hope for, and things have never been the same since.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Great comment, explains a lot, I’ll look more into it

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So are less people libs now in China? Are the libs still a threat to take over power?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Xi's presidency paired with the clear terminal decline state of Western countries have made liberalism in China a marginal position.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

China has done some shady things when it comes to foreign policy. It's actually one of the main critiques I have of china, and while the foreign policy they conduct is far better than pre-Xi, is still far too conformist and 'pragmatic' for my liking, especially considering it'll benefit more nation's if china becomes more assertive.

From giving weapons to the Philippines government to fight Filipino revolutionaries, to its participation in the Nepalese civil war in the favour of the government, instead of the communists. Still I'm hopeful china will correct this mistake soon.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I think that China wasn't very pleased with the DPRK conducting nuclear tests and potentially harming Chinese soil and people. This isn't an issue anymore, though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

China and Russia are on the security council, and could have vetoed them

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

Misleading, see the other comments.

It was the Security Council sanctioning

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

China's stated reason for the sanctions is a policy of a de-nuclearized Korean peninsula. In theory, if the DPRK got nuclear weapons without Chinese opposition, there's nothing China can then say if the ROK pursued nuclear weapons in response.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

uncritical support for the DPRK in its heroic struggle to liberate occupied Korea from the genocidal American empire

Death to America kim-salute

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

DEATH TO AMERICA!!! 💖💖💖

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago

Juche gang rise up

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the US gets to use its nukes then the DPRK gets to use theirs, fair is fair.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A classic

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OH NO, THEY WERE SITTING IN ROWS, THIS IS FASCIST, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE DISORGANIZED AND THEY SHOULD HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MASS SHOOTINGS JUST LIKE IN THE UNITED SHITHOLE STATES OF AMERICA!

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

Sitting in rows??!? What totalitarianism is this

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago

That kid: gigachad-hd

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

finally what the fuck

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

Korea’s gonna be making jet engines again

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

USA hands were really long, and now they squandered it. Fucking finally.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Link for actual article?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

article here- mind the tone in this one. https://news.liga.net/en/amp/politics/news/lavrov-kontseptsiya-izmenilas-rf-bolshe-ne-podderjivaet-sanktsii-protiv-severnoy-korei

Here are the list of sanctions against them. https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/north-korea-sanctions-un-nuclear-weapons

here’s what i found so far. no new sanctions against them (russia vetoed last ones as well) and lifting some sanctions they imposed on them from 2006 because of nuclear program

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

FUCK. YES!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“We have many interesting projects,” Putin promised, naming as one example the plan to develop Russian railroad connectivity through North Korea. (Source)

Really interested to see if this is pursued.

This is an old article (2018) but it outlines the kinds of projects that have been discussed before concerning Russia-DPRK-ROK:

One such project could be a railway that will be able deliver goods from Russia to South Korea through North Korea. "Once the Trans-Korean Main Line is built, it may be connected to the Trans-Siberian Railway. In this case, it will be possible to deliver goods from South Korea to Europe, which would be economically beneficial not only to South and North Korea but to Russia as well," Moon Jae-in said in an interview with Russian media ahead of his state visit to Moscow.

A gas pipeline coming from Russia to North Korea to be extended to the South is another possibility, he said. "We can also build a gas pipeline via North Korea, so that not only South Korea will receive Russian gas but we will also be able to deliver it to Japan," the South Korean president said.

The project to unite the Korean Peninsula with a gas pipeline has been discussed for a long time, but official talks started in 2011. The negotiations were frozen after relations between Seoul and Pyongyang deteriorated. Last week, Russian energy major Gazprom announced it resumed talks with Seoul over the construction of a gas pipeline connecting Russia with North and South Korea.

The countries could also connect their electricity grids, Moon Jae-in said. "We can also establish a powerline that would allow us to receive electricity from Russia. It could also be delivered not only to South and North Korea but also to Japan.”

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Interestingly, DPRK uses two types of rail in their grid. One matches Russian width, the other seems to match Chinese one. So it should make the logistics of the project a bit easier, compared to running rail to Europe (which uses a more narrow rail)

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

inshallah-script

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

we need :happy-kim:

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Finally, some good news comfy-cool

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

This is a good analysis: https://asiatimes.com/2023/09/what-kim-really-wanted-when-meeting-putin/