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I live in Belgium, originally from The Netherlands. Both countries are essentially build up like this: city center - suburban stretch - city center with farm land in between. There is virtually no real nature to be found in both countries with the exception of a small part of southern Belgium. What natural parks we have are basically large artificial plots of nature. Every single inch of these countries is managed beyond belief.

Want to enjoy the few plots of land that are deemed 'nature'? So do the 30 million other people living here. The most remote part in The Netherlands is a point at which you are, hold your hats, 11 km removed from the nearest road. A two and a half hour hike at best.

It's suffocating. There are people everywhere, all the time. You can hear cars at any point in these countries. There is no natural silence. It drives me nuts.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (4 children)

come to Scotland comrade we got hills and shit

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Both Scotland and Sweden sound like nice options to go to at one point

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

A lot of people from the Nethelands moving in where I used to live in Sweden for that reason.

Also that it was a dying town with no jobs that is steadily spiraling downwards so people pick up drug/alcohol addictions to cope or move away meaning that housing is cheap. But if you want solitude it is pretty swell.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

My father in law actually bought a piece of land with a small house in the woods in Värmland, lots of Dutch people over there. His closest neighbours, some hundreds of meters away, are also Dutch lol.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Yeah, that is where I grew up. Lots of Dutch people.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

Scotland is very, very nice. The coast of England also has some nice cliffsides which you can sit and ponder on

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Beautiful country. When I was there, I was only in the southwestern part of the highlands. I'd love to see the rest.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Edinburgh and the coastal path around the east of it towards North Berwick should be on your list.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'd love to visit Aberdeen and Loch Ness

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Never goto aberdeen, its what the map on fallout 3 was based on.

Try perthshire and loch lomond instead.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

You speak out of my soul, comrade. It's so fucking exhausting, everywhere you go there is noise. It feels like you can't escape from it :/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

I feel a similar way in Germany. I wonder what people mean here when they say they like spending time in nature. "What nature," I think to myself.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I hear Georgia has the most beautiful outdoors, all while being affordable to travel in

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It does. Also the Stans if we are going in that direction. Would love to ride my bike through Kyrgyzstan

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

The Bicycle Diaries by Slay Guevara

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

That is a great goal to have, you should do it!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

When I was there (probably including several of the places you mentioned), one thing I thought was nice was that there was a sort of commons in place. Within walking distance for working-class people, there was woods that people wouldn't litigate you for walking on.

It's wild to see how western and central Europe were even more razed and leveled a few decades ago, and the cities even more choked with cars than today.

The expansion of lawn and field across every possible hectare is a plague upon the Earth, though. We really don't need to stuff the planet as full as we can with people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I agree with your last comment but there are people who get very upset when you say it out loud and when you ask them why they get especially angry.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

It's a consequence for most urban/industrial countries, especially dense ones like the Netherlands, wildlife and nature are pretty much phased out as the biodiversity is usually at odds with the industrial nature of the country's transformation. It's a common issue in most of Europe, and in some places in the global south that are also industrializing rapidly.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

Any other year I'd say cone to America, we got wilderness for days, but not this year or the next 4... or 8...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

There needs to be a rewilding push in the Benelux