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In the years following the 2013 debut of Adult Swim’s cartoon phenomenon “Rick and Morty,” its star and co-creator Justin Roiland became a titan of the animation and video game industry and a rock star of youth counterculture. His artistic style and caricatures became ubiquitous in cannabis culture, and his career expanded into producing other animated series, creating NFTs and leading a virtual reality gaming studio. In 2017, a “Rick and Morty” collaboration with McDonald’s led to such a viral frenzy that police had to be called to at least two locations.

But as he partied with Los Angeles’ superstars and traveled the country for conventions, he also found he could use his fame to strike up conversations and develop relationships with young fans, including some who were underage. This is according to interviews with 11 women and nonbinary people who shared thousands of messages with Roiland from 2013 to 2022 — with nine of the people saying he turned the exchanges sexual. Of those nine people, three said they were 16 when they started talking to Roiland. To corroborate their stories, the 11 women and nonbinary people also shared pictures, videos, social media posts, emails, and plane ticket and Uber receipts with NBC News.

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[–] [email protected] 214 points 1 year ago (7 children)

"Young" could be misinterpreted as 18. "Underage" is the right word.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Yeah, this story needs way more precision than it has.

"Were 16 when they started texting him". Ok, well how old were they written the allegations occurred, and what is he alleged to have done?

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The imprecision is by design. Modern journalism is trash.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Not to defend it, but in situations like this I think they have to be vague for legal reasons. There's a fine line between reporting the news and defamation (regardless of how true it is).

It's bullshit, and people will use defamation and lawyers to attack people accusing them. But I can see why you'd want to be extra careful how you worded the title.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems like he waited until they were 18 before meeting them, although he would send sexually-charged texts to women as young as 16.

Roiland usually asked people how old they were, if they were single, and if they were “into girls.” In three cases, when the person said they were under 18, Roiland would message them again months or years later. Those three conversations started with people who said they were 16 at the time, and continued for years, until they were 18 and older.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Literally in the second paragraph of the article and the summary at the top of this post.

But as he partied with Los Angeles’ superstars and traveled the country for conventions, he also found he could use his fame to strike up conversations and develop relationships with young fans, including some who were underage.

The article then goes on to discuss his conversations with underage fans. The article uses "young" because his conversations with of-age but teenaged fans were also bad.

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[–] [email protected] 147 points 1 year ago (12 children)

From the article, really buried: "Roiland usually asked people how old they were, if they were single, and if they were “into girls.” In three cases, when the person said they were under 18, Roiland would message them again months or years later. Those three conversations started with people who said they were 16 at the time, and continued for years, until they were 18 and older."

After reading the whole article it doesn't seem like he did anything sexual with anyone under 18. My takeaway is that he's a creep, abuses his fame and power (part of a big club there), he's manipulative, and he plies underage people with alcohol to get them to sleep with him, but it appears he's not a pedo. Or at least smart enough not to get caught.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not a pedo, just a regular rapist. Talk about low bars.

[–] [email protected] 145 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Don't mistake my comment as a defense of him as a person. He's been accused of domestic violence, forced oral sex, and taking advantage of intoxicated women under the drinking age. Despite him getting off on the DV charge, where there's smoke, there's fire. He's obviously a pretty terrible human being.

I just don't like people throwing around 'pedo' unjustly, because it waters it down and takes away the impact when used against even worse monsters.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 117 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Man, why’d he have to be such a fuckin’ gross creep? Why couldn’t he just have been creative and weird and depressed?

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you add funny to that list you get Dan Harmon.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago

Dan Harmon was super problematic in his own way. His difference was he apologized to the people he wronged in a way that they accepted, and seems to have changed his behavior. His change in behavior seems to be part of what left Justin out to dry as Dan no longer came to work intoxicated, but Roiland just kept doing it.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well the subtype of funny that Rolland had (and Harmon still has to a degree) had was from being creative and weird and sad. Smart, dark, absurdist, existentialist humor. I think that’s a pretty reasonable way to roll it up.

Edit: crossed the names up, derp

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago

Aww geez, Rick.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (9 children)

This really has me wondering how many people are doing the same thing but haven't been caught.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

A person who otherwise wouldn't be noticed suddenly getting attention they never received thrown at them can easily abuse it if they don't control their behavior with a moral compass, which is becoming less and less a priority. When something feels good, many indulge. When you overindulge, you justify. When you get good at justifying, you can make anything okay in your head. If you don't have a line drawn, it's wild how far people will go... he went way too far and he should endure the consequences.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think getting to be super famous is much easier if you have no moral compass to begin with.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Glad to see more reporting on this. The way they swapped out Roiland's voice in Solar Opposites was absolutely perfect, it really hasn't lost anything imo.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I still fucking laugh thinking about it.

It was so unexpected for me that they would make a change to a hoity British accent and just run with it like nothing happened.

Brilliantly handled. I’m actually looking forward to how they are going to make the change for Rick and Morty now.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago

Grooming is more than just convincing a minor to not tell their parents.

The actual definition is grooming a minor for a later sexual relationship (not fully restricted to them still being a minor)

As with any scummy/horrible behavior, there are levels of scum/horribleness.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Fucking disgusting, I will never understand people like this.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

What a cringe lord.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I just assume anyone remotely famous is some kind of foul person behind the scenes.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, Paul Rudd, nooo! You're too pure!

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Imagine being so lucky that you become a household name off of animation of all things but then deciding to do exactly what John K did. At least Rick and Morty won't go the way of Ren and Stimpy. Not yet, anyway.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

He knew he could take advantage of the fans. What an ass.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

I just watched a great documentary on YouTube about Ren and Stimpy and it's fucking sad how similar the story with John K is as well. I should think there's some obvious lessons about not giving immature manbabies unlimited power in here, but it'd be nice if somebody actually learned them!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't this story already come out like a year ago? Adult swim fired him

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

that story was to do with him being charged with assault and unlawful imprisonment

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I never liked him much, but I had no idea he was a pedo.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (24 children)

According to the article he would text underage women but would refuse to meet them until they were 18. Seems like he was operating within the law.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

The summary did that thing like when FBI agents find a 800 TB harddrive containing a possibly CSAM photo and the media says they found 800 TB of CSAM.

Did he take a conversation with a sub-18 year old to a sexual place? (or not excuse himself from an email gone sexual with someone under age?) I literally mean yes he did take it sexual or no he did not take it sexual or It was not clear from the messages.

There is a difference from acknowledging sex is a thing and propositioning a teenager for sex, but at this point, I don't care. If you are a man or a woman, etc., just devalue the experience of younger people and don't talk to them. They'll be fine with it eventually.

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