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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It’s quite concerning that something like 37% of the land on this planet is used for agriculture with most of it used for livestock. Biodiversity is being destroyed so we can enjoy a grilled ribeye.

So, I understand the enthusiasm for lab-grown meat. At the same time, I don’t trust big corporations and their captured government agencies to be truthful about the long-term health effects of something like lab-grown meat, and I also expect the positive environmental impact may get overstated to push for outlawing traditional livestock in favor of lab-grown meat for which a handful of big corporations will own patents. Patented seeds for plants that don’t produce viable seeds and lab-grown meat sounds like a good way for corporations to have complete control over humanity’s food supply, more so than they do already.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Starting to think a significant portion of rich people genuinely view suffering as an essential if not occult component to the value of their products. Like it means more to them when a thing suffers or dies to produce what they have.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

diamond rings come to mind, i dont know why some people have a bone to pick with lab-grown diamonds, does the horrible labor behind mining make the "real thing" better?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Same. To some, yes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Not just products but life as a whole.

Too many people have the mentality of "If I suffered, you should to", or equate their value to their suffering "Suffering builds character", "You only slept 6 hours? Try 4 like me".

Humanity has an unhealthy obsession with suffering equating validation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Yes. Hearing about how pre colonial Hawaiians worked like 9-12am and were so efficient they could spend the rest of the day playing, makes me deeply sad to see how far we’ve regressed.

[–] [email protected] 167 points 1 week ago (31 children)

But in all seriousness I would love if lab meats became economically viable.

Imagine being able to have some lab grown mammoth. Enjoy something our ancestors did

[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The moment corporations see they are cheaper, they'll start pushing for them, exaggerating their benefits like environmental impact as a propaganda tool.

But there would still be slaughtered meats for as long as there are rich assholes paying for "the true experience" or just because it's not something everyone gets to do and they like to feel unique and superior to the rest of humanity.
Knowing those out-of-touch monsters, they'd double down in 'the experience' by getting to slaughter the animal themselves or something like that.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 week ago (3 children)

rich assholes paying for “the true experience”

See also: "actually lab diamonds are too perfect, the subtle imperfections and discolorations really enhance the je ne se quoi of blood diamonds"

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Honestly, that's almost a perfect win. If farming animals for meat becomes something for the 0.01%, imagine how much better things would be. How much less strain we'd put on the planet, and how much animal suffering would be prevented.

And we'd be only a few guillotines away from a full solution.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (8 children)

i just want cheap blocks of TVP available in the store

we've had the technology to make TVP for decades, it's a perfectly fine replacement for meat if you just marinate it a bit, why the fuck is it not bog standard?

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 week ago (11 children)

No more farmers, lab grown food! Better for the environment, better for animals. Win win. Farmers in The Netherlands are seriously fucked up, going as far as threatening politicians with murder at their private home. So fuck meat, dairy and egg farmers. We only need fruits and vegetables, and lab grown meat is a nice addition.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Meat eating ties into a lot of people conceptions of masculinity. The idea that you might be eating something that didn’t have to die takes the power and dominance out of it - a sexual politics of meat if you will.

I’m not saying this is true of everyone who eats meat - but there is a certain type that this unambiguously true for. Think of the guys with the aviator glasses sitting in the truck pfp - eating dead cow is as American and masculine as fucking women.

(Think about how much the absolutely stupid “if vegs hate meat so much, why do they make fake meat?” sounds like “if lesbians don’t like mean, why do they use dildos?)

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That's... A theory, pretty sure it's more that meat just tastes good though

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

If you start to look a lot of the advertising is highly masculinized. Meat is definitely masculine in Western culture.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Yes - it is that way for normal people. Notice the amount of qualifiers in my original statement.

There is a disturbing undercurrent to some people’s understanding of meat - to the point where people like Jordan Peterson (others too) have made themselves sick on “carnivore” diets.

I am talking about the kind of people mentioned in the OP that are upset that fake meat options exist. Part of the reason these people are upset - because any rational meat eater would be like cool, more food options - is that they view synthetic meats or even people choosing not to eat meat as an attack on their personal identity, which for these individuals is constructed around this weird patriarchal nationalist thing.

When I get a honey butter chicken biscuit from Whata, I’m doing it because I’m hungry and those things taste like crack. For some men, eating meat is something they have this complex about - you eat a steak because you aren’t a weak little soy boy.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Am I the only one that feels bad about how that guy feels about fucking up his marriage? Lol.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

My vegan perspective: I'm uncomfortable with foods that continue to reproduce the aesthetics of exploitation and probably wouldn't eat it myself. But because it's affect on the world would likely include a sizable reduction in actual real animal exploitation, I'd welcome it's introduction and maybe even promote it to some.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

Thats an interesting take. Most people don't eat meat specifically because its exploitative, they eat it because its easier (relatively) to get the needed nutrients through meat, and because its taste and texture are hard to replicate. Lab grown meat manages to do this (hopefully) without any exploitation.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Well rn lab grown meat is even worse in terms of CO2 than animal farming, so don't get your hopes up yet. Yeah, sure, it means less animals getting thrown into the torture and murder machine, but if you really want to make a difference it's by convincing peoples to go vegan, at least in this decade

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (18 children)

the only reason i'd have an issue with it is because of the markup on most items like this (looking in your direction beyond and morningstar).

if they can have a sustainable and ethical method of creating food then it should be free to everyone who needs it.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

Potatoes aren't even free so I doubt that is happening.

Cheaper food would be a good start, potatoes and rice are incredibly cheap foods.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No farmers no food!

lab grown meat joins the game

Oy! That's not fair!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The thing is they spend so much time protesting, mostly about inconsequential things, I'm not sure they produce any food anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Lab grown meat is so expensive and small in quantities that it is inconsequential alright

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