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[–] 65 points 3 years ago (2 children)

one of the times where "let people enjoy things" is valid

using it to kill discussion of [thing] because [thing] has become part of your identity, bad

using it because you are minding your own business trying to do [thing] and someone is being obnoxious, good

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  • [+] 36 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)
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    [–] 63 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Listen you might not like the comic but "let people enjoy things" is much less unpleasant sounding than "don't yuck someone's yum" because saying that phrase makes me feel a visceral disgust as it slides out of my throat like a thick ooze

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    [–] 53 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    The sports fandom really can be toxic and overbearing. As much as I love some sports, the way it was always expected for me to give a shit about the local football or baseball team was obnoxious. Not to mention the excessive doting on sports, to the point that schools will slash their arts department and lay off teachers so the middling football team there can get more concessions.

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  • [–] 46 points 3 years ago

    One of the most sobering early experiences I had as a teacher was being notified, again, that I had to tighten my belt, again, because of a budget cut that was necessary, again, in the district's newsletter.

    The next page over, the same newsletter proudly announced the new stadium being built...

    For the amount that the necessary budget cut was for. doomer

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    [–] 53 points 3 years ago (9 children)

    anyone whos ever said “sportsball” in earnest is a loser

    Death to America

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    [–] 49 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Even the maker of the comic made a followup where the "let people enjoy things" thought terminating cliche was dragged out back and shot.

    About the only single comic that I can think of that did as much lasting ideological damage to western cultural discourse was "Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory" from Penny Arcade which was used to justify/excuse nazi shit across the nascent internet and also made people assume that everyone was a shitty edgelord the moment they could get away with it, which lowered the bar steeply for how many people expected others to act.

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  • [–] 46 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    sports haters are incredibly annoying and childish. critiques of how athletes are treated and the culture around sports are valid but "haha sporbsball amirite" makes me think you're never interacted with someone outside of the internet

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  • [–] [S] 60 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    Hard disagree on this one. In a vacuum, sports is a hobby like any other, and it's fine, if not my particular cup of tea.

    But in practice, it holds a unique position of cultural hegemony, perhaps especially in America, in such a way that it is inextricably bound up with gender, patriarchy, race, labor and capitalism. I personally hate sports because people assume things about me based on what they think my gender is, and use it to police my gender.

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  • [–] 47 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (9 children)

    this

    I have no problem with people enjoying sports. What i have a problem with is people having a problem with me not enjoying sports.

    Growing up i was always asked about sports and expected to care about them, enjoy watching them, and have something to say about them. My not caring was an unwelcome deviation from what people expected then, sometimes that necesitated an excuse for why it was okay and i always hated.

    I hope its not like that for people growing up today, and we're all just letting people enjoy things. As a kid the things i enjoyed weren't okay and it wasn't okay that i didn't enjoy sports.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    American football is blood-chilling to me as a flag-humping bootlicking spectacle of performative allegiance. It's no wonder Nolan used an American football game and all of its symbolic "wholesomeness" as ground zero for his "scary leftist man with bomb" story beat.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I don’t care for sports because I literally cannot comprehend emotionally or intellectually how one enjoys them

    Umm sweaty have you considered that you’re stupid and childish? I love enforcing neurotypical normativity and belittling those who deviate from the norm! Why can’t you just be normal?

    Sports fanatics are the most sensitive people on the planet and can’t handle others making offhand jokes about their obsession

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    [–] 46 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Queer coded bad guy, speaking of sports and society enforcing gender norms

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  • [–] 37 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    Not even "coded" really, overtly homophobic I would say

    People forget the whole "sportsball" meme came about in the first place because before the widespread adoption of nerd culture in the 2010s sports was inescapable and forced on everyone. It's hilarious that sports fans act like victims when they get any light mocking or pushback to their total cultural hegemony and imposition on everyone else. If you were a man and didn't like sports you were mocked as gay (which was seen as socially damaging).

    Let people not enjoy things

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    [–] 42 points 3 years ago (20 children)

    Fairly obvious that a lot of people's resentment towards sports comes from simply not being good at it in school and getting picked last for the team or whatever. It's like the inverse of people hating on nerds, where it's obvious that they hate nerds because they were never good at math in school.

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  • [–] 38 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (13 children)

    I wonder how old people with takes like this are.

    If you grew up before 2010 and nerd culture you would realize that liking sports was not optional. You were mocked as gay. You couldn't keep up in small talk with your boss and would get passed over for promotion. It was mandatory to watch sports or you would be stigmatized. There was eventually pushback to that hegemony via the "sportsball" meme and mocking sports for being silly. Everyone seems to have forgotten how oppressive and toxic American sports culture was (and continues to be, schools are still getting gutted to make way for more football shit. Stadiums are still built with slave labor. Now it just makes you a "loser" instead of a "f**" to hate sports but the toxic masculinity underlying it is still there as you can see even in this thread)

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    [–] 40 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Apparently, the author of this comic has retracted it, views it like an inventor or scientist who sees their creation as gone horribly wrong.

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    [–] 39 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    Sports fans have it so hard! 😞

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    [–] 34 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Ohhh hey, you watchin' some 9/11? How's the stupid 9-

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    [–] 32 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    Y'all didn't learn from FFX that big sports events give the masses in a shitty world a reason to feel happy and cheer for a bit.

    And also a racist soccer player will help kill god.

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    [–] 31 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    This comic is so cringe it feels like a strawman

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  • [–] 29 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I watch 0 sports and the terms sportsball makes me angry. To the point I've thought about a gamer equivalent to throw back. Closest I can think of is controllertoy

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    [–] 29 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    I think the synthesis here is that yes sports are dumb. So is dungeons and dragons. Adults can like dumb things, just acknowledge they are not serious and are for playing around.

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  • [–] 41 points 3 years ago*

    no this comic is a war crime because people fill in the sportsball speech bubble to make the character criticize their shitty unexamined reactionary treats. For (an extreme) example:

    "oh hey, you enjoying blackface cartoons from the 1930s again? That's pretty messed u-"

    "shhhh let people enjoy things"

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    [–] 29 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    I think the Sealion comic is similarly harmful and annoying, but less prolific.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 years ago*

    At the very least it put some buffer up against the freeze-gamer gate popularized bad-faith questioning tactic of saying shit like "um excuse me could you kindly point out one example of (obvious fucking thing that the bad faith questioner refuses to see)? You can not use any sources that I see as woke or having an agenda/narrative. I'll wait." very-intelligent

    The most glaring example of that I ever ran into was a freeze-gamer gater that pulled that about proving trump-anguish was a racist. Yes, this was years after the "they're not sending their best" speech.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 years ago (15 children)

    "Sealioning" is almost as bad as "whataboutism." I've seen the comic and I still have no idea what it's supposed to mean - is it when you call out racism instead of letting it go unchallenged? And this is presented as a bad thing, for some reason??

    You can't just make up words and use them to denounce things that are legit.

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    [–] 29 points 3 years ago

    Liberalism: willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas.

    Letting people enjoy things is literally liberalism. After the revolution, everyone will be compelled to enjoy and dislike the things that I, he One True Socialist, enjoy and dislike.

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