Not wrong at all, the Nazi Party co-opted and stole countless icons and imagery, the swastika itself was stolen.

and the modern day Nazi Party in Russia at least, tries to steal entire letters of the Latin alphabet.

This is a wonderful point! I recall years ago reading the government said of the hippies that they just started selling them incense (to put it lightly) and it was one of the ways of taking them down from the inside. So this is an old trick used by many. Sucks how insidious it all is.

F the fascists

Tbh Black metal (awesome as it is) has a lot of ties to Nazi movements. Back when I was first getting into it I bought myself a Burzum shirt, because I only had a vague idea of Varg being somewhat of a controversial figure. I thought, how bad could this guy really be? Well... He is B A D. Despite a lot of this kind of music still being a guilty pleasure of mine I have ventured into anti Nazi bands such as Neckbeard Death camp, who are really vocal about kicking Nazis from the scene. That being said, traverse black metal paying heed to your step, for ignorance can end you up with neo Nazi band merch.

Does that go for liberal or philosophical ideals like free speech?

I come across a bit of rhetoric identifying free speech as a right-wing authoritarian cause, arguing that they "claim, twist, poison, ruin" it, so it's fine to give it up and no longer defend it.

Those rhetoricians seem to have a skewed or ahistorical disregard for the advances in political philosophy from the enlightenment era that got society out of the dark ages, away from authoritarianism & toward political plurality & liberal democracy. Freedom of speech was a foundational development & its growth enabled the civil rights movements that followed.

Yet according to the rhetoric, it's a problem now that right-wing authoritarians claim it as part of their cause. They'll just let them claim & define it, and now that free speech is wrong (since they let right-wingers "have" it), it's okay to limit & undermine it.

One might think they're right-wing authoritarians in disguise trying to dupe everyone into threatening the foundations of liberal society. Whether or not they are, there's a good chance they'll show up here possibly in response to this comment.

Is there a name for that type of rhetoric or the people who argue it?

Anyway, it all seems like capitulation to me. I think letting fascists claim such philosophical ideals is a mistake.

Damn I love Lemmy, this would get OP banned on Reddit ... just the truth.

Do fascists really try to take Satanism though? Don't they usually prefer to claim to be on God's side?

They’ve already taken some Metal. Went to a Metallica concert and there were trump flags in the parking lot, militia-style shirts, firearms shirts, blue line flag shirts, Punisher skull shirts…. I was surrounded by White Power and authoritarians. The Metal Heads I grew up with all decided they wanted to carry the batons and riot shields they hated in their youth. Didn’t help that FFDP was there with their military fetish and making commentary about the Biden administration.

Man, feel like Norse iconography might be almost a lost cause here. I was looking into getting a Thor's Hammer tattoo years ago... Every variation you can think of has been co-opted by a Nazi group somewhere. I think it was the FBI that used to keep a database of symbols linked to terrorist groups, most of it was various flavors of Nazis and most of that was symbols stolen from Norse culture.

They can have Nickleback