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Warren, MICHIGAN. I would like to encourage anyone who posts local news to put clarifying geographical data in the title ... I've spent so many minutes of my life clicking thru to some local TV station's story and looking ... looking ... looking for any sort of clue where the hell they are.
Thank you!! I didn't have to go through the spelunking exercise because of your comment!!
10,000 showed up to fight oligarchy—guess billionaires finally pushed us into revolution mode.
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It's interesting to watch this, and while Bernie is slightly left to my values, how come this octogenarian gets it and the rest of the party doesn't? I'm just amazed that some democrats interpret this as "let's align with MAGA" a little more, instead of calling those "right wing radicalists". The future of Dems is to be the anti-oligarchy party. While I understand how risky this may be as unlimited dark money pouring in can tilt things, but people still have the power if they unite.
No fucking way anti-oligarchy is the future of the party. The Dems are going to run the same tired playbook of courting the center and hoping the Republicans shit the bed. They are already saying this loudly and often.
No fucking way anti-oligarchy is the future of the party.
We'll see. It would be quite tragicomical after they just got punished for moving towards the center like the second humiliating time around. At least Bernie's showing the path.
I mean I'm pretty sure a bit ago I saw something that leaked from a meeting of Dems about strategy going forward where they were talking about trying to shift more to the right by presenting themselves as more patriotic and pushing for more focus on larger donors rather than lots of small donors which is basically just doubling down on what they just tried. I still have some hope that maybe people get so fed up a Bernie like candidate can win despite major push back from donors and the establishment of the party and shape the party to be more progressive rather than allowing the party apparatus and donors to shape them to be less progressive but if that did happen it would be a bigger upset then what happened with Trump winning and shaping the Republican party into his personal Maga party.
If Bernie fucking Sanders is too far left for you then you're definitely part of the problem
Agreed, Sanders only has the working class at heart throughout his career. Is he perfect? Of course not. If you are working class and you think Bernie is bad…. You really need to reconsider who you are and where you stand.
nobody called Bernie bad here...
Understood. I was just making a statement.
While too far left could mean this, the op just said "slightly left". Of course, if what you meant is that Bernie Sanders is barely left enough, that anyone to the right of him is the problem, then nvm.
The second one
Here we have somebody being polite and engaging in [email protected]. I come to this community because I wish to talk to people who are more right-wing than me. Let's not shoo them away please.
Just because they're polite doesn't mean they're not wrong, and if they can't handle being told so then your talking with them isn't going to get anything done anyway
How in the fuck is Bernie too far left for you? America is way too far fucking right wing, that's insane
America is way too far fucking right wing, that’s insane
It generally is, especially from the European perspective but not entirely. If we put aside present republican posturing, the USA is very immigration-friendly right and left whereas in Europe the right wing is extremely against any kind of immigration.
How in the fuck is Bernie too far left for you?
You guys are way too inclined to think in extremes. Slight = difference between democratic socialist vs. social democrat.
Bernie is a social democrat, regardless of branding. You're gonna need to specify where Bernie is to your left.
The democratic socialist is a label Bernie used to describe himself in the past. I'm not into populism, and consider that social welfare policies only work in a lasting way if people value and respect them, and some of that come with compromises that society has to reach a consensus on.
Also, I don't "need to specify" anything to you and if y'all think that you can afford to attack people for being slightly misaligned with your values don't be surprised about failing to build a movement.
I didn't attack you? I just asked for clarification! As far as I'm concerned he's a social democrat, just like you, and I don't really know what your disagreement with Bernie even is. I guess you're not into "populism" but what does that mean? You're not into popular policies? What does it mean to "value and respect" social welfare? Does Bernie not value and respect social welfare? I'd like some specifics so we can have a dialogue.
How am I even supposed to talk to you if you refuse to clarify your specific problems?
It's interesting to watch this, and while Bernie is slightly left to my values, how come this octogenarian gets it and the rest of the party doesn't?
Which party? The Democrats? He's not part of them since they crushed him and his followers in 2016, preferring to back H.Clinton to a stunning loss against Trump.
They don't get it because they are also a party more interested in supporting oligarchs than the working person. They still think that Trump beat them through disinformation, when it was really that they lost because their track record since Carter has been to back big business over the needs of the common people. Clinton and Obama should have been ripping up Regan's / Bush's legacy, but they just tweaked it. All Trump did was speak to that, even though he had no intention of doing anything about it.
Proper barnstorming.
When is Harris' anti-oligarchy rally? Obama's? LOL, Pelosi's? Why the fuck does this one guy who should be retiring on a beach somewhere have to keep dragging the entire Democratic party? I love Bernie, but it's beyond pathetic that after all these years it's still his job.
Never. They are the oligarchy.
They're protecting their capital.
Because none of those other people want to. The only reason they even allow Bernie to do as much as he does is to placate progressive liberals, if they didn't folks might start figuring out that reform doesn't work.
In all fairness, Harris’s political ambitions are over. She lost to Trump, she should probably just stay out of politics now.
She's saying she might run for Cali governor...
[screaming]
When is yours? Why is the “dragging” mentioned by you while others are doing more than you?
Any of the people they mentioned would have massively more influence than a random Lemmy poster.
You mean supporters of ThE GeNoCiDe???
This is the way.