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[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago

These kind of problems are so complex, theres a lot of money at the top of the pyramid and they are often mostly men, if these extremes are taken off men are the ones badly paid, so the average men experience gets invalidated and they often feel worse, while the economical elite remain unaffected, just exposing the superficial company sponsored equality that are also advertised to women.

The glass ceiling that women experience is very real, that happens not just because they are woman, but also because of the capital, the stock holders that are mostly men will only favor woman that can be heartless as the position expect her to be, an behavior that comes easily when you are not so connect socially, as some men are. The woman who shatter the glass ceiling also don't do it unharmed, she often needs to compensate and often try to be even more heartless to prove they are better for the top positions, the worker and the boss both get alienated in the process.

The suicide part is a sad reality, men indeed die more from suicide, while woman try more is logically implicit that men cannot try more since they often die from the first try. It also sad that most men who die from suicide are old and white, men who feel isolated, often because they put all their value into work and do not have any alternative to derivate value from, so basically, also alienated from labor, after retirement a lot of them commit suicide since they feel worthless and abandoned for have put all their effort into money making.

I tried bring the main problems, without resorting to straw men arguments, it's such a shame that both men and woman deal with mental health issues and feel so isolated.

*Forgive me for my grammatical mistakes, I tried to be as precise as I could.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

ha, its not a pay gap. its an occupation gap. there are more unemployed men because the united states has been shipping traditionally male-dominated jobs oversees causing higher unemployment for that group. they are using that to pretend there is a pay gap.

you want to solve this, then start convincing men to take jobs in traditionally female-dominated spaces.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Thank you for pointing out the flaw in the comments, let's not let Lemmy turn into MGTOW or some shit

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Lmao, "the occupation gap" is literally a MRA talking point

Actual feminists acknowledge that a pay gap can be (partially) driven by differences in occupations between the genders

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

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What's this? Another group of kobolds? How quaint!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hey now I've been here - oh I see.

:ahem: in that case, our Union Floor is currently housed in Sigil, if you're interested in signing a card.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Ooh, how exotic! We've never been to Sigil! ~Or~ ~away~ ~from~ ~our~ ~native~ ~plane~ ~at~ ~all,~ ~for~ ~that~ ~matter.~ Maybe we can find a way to attend...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The article mentions a number of troubling ways boys are doing worse than girls. Rates of suicide are much higher. There's a gap in educational attainment:

On average, across every subject at GCSE, boys’ results are half a grade lower than girls’. At A-level, girls outperform boys by an average of more than a grade and a half across their best three subjects. Boys are also twice as likely as girls to be excluded from school, while in British universities, female students outnumber males by three to two.

In decades past, we rightly built programs to ensure that girls received a good schooling and were prepared for post secondary education. Boys need similar programs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And despite this women on average are paid less than men. The results you mention are very old. They are at least 30 years old.

Still, those numbers are hiding important details, like how men outnumber women in stem for example in crazy numbers, like 9 to 1. And those domains where men outnumber women are way, way better paid. They are also hiding how women on average are not promoted as much as men despite better performances or degrees, and they don't reach as high positions in companies than men.

Oh, and I'd be surprised if women who choose to stay at home to raise children were considered as unemployed the way all men are.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Those issues need to be addressed as well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, you can just look at what happens when men do take jobs in female-dominated industries: https://www.ecu.edu.au/newsroom/articles/research/female-nurses-face-significant-gender-pay-gap

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I don't really like how this article is presented.

New research from Edith Cowan University (ECU) found that a gender pay gap of 4% existed at the six-month mark, widening to 13% at the three-year mark

In this study, men at three years earned $39.50 per hour compared to women who earned $38 per hour

That's a 4% gap at 3 years when looking at hourly wage. It's still bad but not 13%. Someone working more hours should be paid more in total, no?

The findings show men could be receiving penalty payments associated with working weekends and non-sociable hours, with women partaking in Dr Doleman's study working on average 32 hours a week, compared to the men, who worked 36 hours a week

What about men and women at 3 years? The gap in hours must be smaller, as this would imply a 17% gap at 3 years, not a 13% one: ($39.5 * 36) / ($38 * 32) ≈ 1.17.

Still, if men work worse hours, shouldn't they be paid more on average? I'm unsure about Australia but hours worked during night-shift on Sundays or on holidays must legally have increased pay in Germany (up to 190% from 12 am to 4 am on Christmas for example. It's also tax-exempt!).

Assuming the reason why fewer women work these hours is childcare (which it frequently is) then access to affordable childcare should be expanded. But that's not an issue with more men in female-dominated issues but rather a systemic problem imo.

Furthermore, research has found that men were being promoted more quickly following graduation and that there was a disproportionate number of men sitting in executive roles within the healthcare institutions.

Yeah, that's bad. I do wonder whether "quickly" refers to "total hours worked" or "time employed" as men work more hours on average. Women should be promoted as quickly as men based on total hours of experience. The executive issue still remains though.

[H]ealthcare institutions should consider alternative working arrangements for female nurses.

A minor nitpick: the suggestion at the bottom should apply to every nurse, regardless of gender. After all, everyone would benefit from being able to work more flexible shifts - be it nurses, their children or their patients (the last one because nobody can keep high care standards for 12 hours).

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

“Our education system is not working for boys,” the report warns. “From the day they start primary school, to the day they leave higher education, the progress of boys lags behind girls.” One of Sir Keir Starmer’s government “milestones” is to ensure that 75 per cent of reception-age children are ready for school. The figure is currently 67 per cent, but this conceals a huge gender gap: 75 per cent of girls are school-ready, compared with just 60 per cent of boys.

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Suicide is the biggest cause of death among young men. “Between the ages of 15 and 19, for every girl that took their own life, almost three and a half boys did likewise,” the report notes. “A man in the East Midlands is six times more likely to take [his] own life than a woman in London.”