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[-] a1studmuffin@aussie.zone 41 points 1 year ago

Ditched Ubuntu last year for Hannah Montana Linux and haven't looked back.

[-] mesamunefire@piefed.social 37 points 1 year ago

Man I used to love Ubuntu. Then snaps...and it broke a lot of things. Now I'm on other oses. But I appreciate what they did to the Debian flavors of distos.

[-] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 31 points 1 year ago

I fucking love the “friendship ended” meme. It makes me laugh every time.

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

It is the gold standard!

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 23 points 1 year ago

At those times I swear, I have a knack for avoiding problems before they appear.

Some years ago I migrated from Ubuntu to Debian. It was due to something silly, like defaults. Then I got pissed with Debian Stable, went to Testing, got pissed again... and for some reason instead of going back to Ubuntu I gave Mint a try.

Then people started talking about snaps a lot, and I gave them a try in Mint. This was in a potato computer so I could clearly notice how slow they were to start. Nope.

Then Ubuntu started forcing them every where, but by then I could simply say "Not My Problem®". Mint maintainers are clearly against snaps, and I'm happy with it.

Glad to see Õunapuu also found a way to handle the problem by changing distros. I'm too deep into the APT rabbit hole to get used to Fedora, but it seems like a good choice regardless.

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 year ago

They work reasonably well, you can update them whenever you want and they are optional. Your Firefox installation won’t suddenly turn into a Flatpak overnight.

This kind of heavy handed management of change is unacceptable. Ubuntu deserves all the bad publicity they’re getting from this.

Then again, change is always hard, so there’s no easy way around this problem. Once canonical has implemented all the major changes they have in mind, Ubuntu could be worth testing again. In the meantime, it’s hard to recommend it to anyone.

Fedora is clearly a safer choice even though it too changes frequently. I used to update my system through the GUI, but over the years, that method became unreliable, and eventually broke completely. I ended up updating through the CLI instead, which isn’t something I can remember to everyone.

[-] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 13 points 1 year ago

ubuntu is so popular when you stop using it you get to write a blog post

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 year ago

Is Ubuntu the new Windows?

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

They are in the same camp

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

It really isn't all that popular these days. It is running on the fumes of history like Windows is. The difference is there is little reason to stay with Ubuntu since it is just Linux.

[-] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago

It really isn’t all that popular these days

It's popular amongst regular linux users, I mean if I was to take your opinion seriously then someone clearly made a mistake here:

https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology#1-operating-system

Someone put Ubuntu in 3rd (after Mac and Windows) and Fedora in 12th under ipadOS and "Other linux based" 🧐

In terms of popularity amongst neckbeards who argue over linux distros then yeah, Ubuntu isn't that popular you're right

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

The stack overflow survey only captures a small portion of the population. It is going to be mostly corporate software development companies.

Ubuntu is still fairly common in the enterprise when it is required by corporate overlords but it is way less popular when users are given a choice. Ubuntu doesn't have much to offer these days and it is riding on inertia.

[-] pixelpop3@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

I have a general philosophy of reinstalling my systems from scratch every few months and honestly Ubuntu is among the easiest for that (Debian is close second, but corporate overlords freak the hell out)

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[-] OpticalMoose@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 year ago

I'm in the process of switching from Ubuntu/Mint to Fedora. I'm trying it on my laptop first; if that goes well, I've got 2 others to switch over.

[-] knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

Unity did it for me. Moved to mint, never looked back.

[-] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago

I dumped Mint for Fedora over upgrade issues. No ragrets.

[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

LMFAO1-1954010450

[-] flork@lemy.lol 10 points 1 year ago

LOL this is me. Bonus points for the immuteable versions. The first truly desktop linux that "just works" and dare I say improves over windows in basically every way.

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

tldr: He left because of Snap.

-Just like the rest of us.

[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I was about to install Ubuntu, which I've used before, but decided to try out Mint. About to throw the switch right now in fact. Hope it's a good decision.

[-] twotonebax@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Mint is great. I've been using it as my daily since mid last year after ditching windows.

[-] not3ottersinacoat@fedia.io 5 points 1 year ago

As much as I dislike Ubuntu, I wouldn't use Fedora, sponsored by Red Hat, a US company, either. LMDE is the way.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

All of Linux is sponsored by Red Hat

[-] not3ottersinacoat@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago

Amongst others, yes. But not every distro is red hat's testing ground, and not every distro operates under US jurisdiction. I'm sure you do actually know the difference.

[-] PokerChips@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Is not Fedora independent of red hat?

Except for the upstream (or downstream since they are bleeding edge) development, I always assume they are isolated from red hat influence.

[-] Metju@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Iirc, a crapton of RH ppl work on Fedora, since it's their "sandbox for RHEL" distro.

And while I fuckin' HATE what IBM/RH BS tries to pull in some areas, it doesn't prevent me from running Fedora derivatives daily.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

Fedora is community lead for the most part. (Community leaders and all)

[-] bluGill@fedia.io 5 points 1 year ago

There is a reason I put arch on my latest computer. I will give it a few months to be sure but I'm thinking of swicthing. details matter so when printing doesn't 'just work' in one program with a print dialog I know snap is not ready for ubuntus target.

[-] logging_strict@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

i ditched Ubuntu for Void Linux LXDE. Void Linux has runit rather than systemd

This predates snapd

Disclaimer: you have to setup the wifi and enable logind

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

I don't get why you wouldn't want systemd honestly

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[-] coacoamelky@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Kubuntu is all I need personally.

[-] PokerChips@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hey guys, even LXC kinda sorta ditched Ubuntu. The creator gave away his baby LXD to Ubuntu and started supporting Incus instead.

Although i think it was just canonical that he wanted freedom from.

[-] outbakes9510@piefed.social 4 points 1 year ago

Good choice: https://www.privacyguides.org/en/desktop/#fedora-workstation

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

The major drawback is that Fedora is only supported for a year

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 3 points 1 year ago

Ubuntu no longer supplies value over Debian. Made the switch and can barely tell the difference. And no snaps.

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago

Somehow I've drifted back to Ubuntu because of work. It's useful being on the same os as everyone else when troubleshooting, but I hate how I have to "fix" it on every fresh install, it just put up with broken snaps and constantly crashing security updates.

Honestly Arch was less work than this.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You are comparing Apples to Oranges

I would run Linux Mint since it is Ubuntu based but doesn't have the same issues.

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Based as heck!

[-] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Arch time!

[-] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

Ha, I had the same experience with Debian this week.

[-] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

What happened with Debian? Just moved to Fedora? I ditched Ubuntu for Debian long ago, tried Fedora but prefer EndeavourOS ("polished Arch") these days.

[-] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

Yea no hate, Debian is a fine distro. I've always bounced between Debian and Fedora after abandoning Ubuntu years back but recently I've been using a Redhat based distro at work and got sick of typing dnf when I meant to type apt.

[-] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

You can alias it 😅 (I think, or is the structure of arguments too different? It could probably still be done with regex but I haven't tried aliasing with that complexity...)

[-] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

Yea but last week I upgraded my laptop storage and decided to go with a fresh install of Fedora.

[-] mrkite@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

I use popOS and never had a problem with snaps. They're not nearly as bad as flatpak. I avoid those like the plague.

[-] perry@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago

Both are rubbish in my experience - both on the development side and installation side. To be honest I don’t love building any of the package formats for Linux, and prefer installing deb/rpm. Old school I guess.