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[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

That's a stupid take tbh. Nobody is against those things. What people have a problem with is the side effects. Very obvious to see in the entertainment sector where entire historic events and facts are ignored for the sake of DEI. Saw that with the cleopatra movie and is currently a big problem with assassins creed shadows which is literally insulting large parts of japanese culture just so they can put their western morals into it.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Are you sure it's not Democrats, Education and Immigrants?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

More like Democracy (Jan 6), Elections (Voter-Roll Purges, and other forms of Voter Suppression), and International Cooperation (Paris Agreement Withdrawl)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The alternatives to DEI are:

Conformity Inequity Exclusion

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago

I Oppose Deathcamps, Extermination, and Invasion (aka: the nazi f' Elon and the Felon's policies)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

This isn't a good argument in general--you can call anything anything, even if it doesn't fit what it actually is. This would be like accusing someone of being anti-democracy for opposing the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea), or anti-life for opposing the "pro-life" movement.

Whether the label is accurate in any given circumstance doesn't change the fact.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Or you could ask them if they know what DEI stands for.

Spoiler Alert: They don't.

They love hating acronyms and nicknames repeated by their media sources that they know literally nothing about.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

They know what it stands before, but if you ask them to drop the mask they'll start saying racial slurs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago (8 children)

As far as I understand, DEI as a policy in a university or workplace means giving place to a candidate because not of their merits or test scores, but because of their race or background.

Isn't that racism?

Be gentle, am not USian.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

Diversity refers to the presence of variety within the organizational workforce, such as in identity and identity politics. It includes gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, disability, age, culture, class, religion, or opinion.

Equity refers to concepts of fairness and justice, such as fair compensation and substantive equality. More specifically, equity usually also includes a focus on societal disparities and allocating resources and "decision making authority to groups that have historically been disadvantaged", and taking "into consideration a person's unique circumstances, adjusting treatment accordingly so that the end result is equal."

Finally, inclusion refers to creating an organizational culture that creates an experience where "all employees feel their voices will be heard", and a sense of belonging and integration.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusion

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

US (and many other nations) corporate and education systems have long given preferential treatment/selection to white employees and students, to the point where the more qualified candidate was passed by due to their ethnicity. There's further issues that stem from the same sources, such as banks refusing to loan to Afro-Americans at a disproportionate rate, even with high wages and a more stable income, being refused even an interview because your name doesn't sound white enough despite being the most qualified applicant, etc etc etc.

DEI being implemented in a way that chooses non-white, women, differently abled, or LGBTQ+ simply to check a box and have diversity to point to is a real issue, but these places weren't ever really interested in leveling the playing field. They were concerned about optics. Like the 90s movie/tv cliché of the group of popular pretty girls having the one "fat and ugly" friend in the group to show that they're inclusive, to make themselves look and feel better.

DEI if implemented properly strips the unconscious and systemic bias in American (and other countries) systems to overlook better candidates for white, straight men.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

There is a manifesto that is literally titled the "The Post-Meritocracy Manifesto" which a lot of people unironically agreed with, at least when those were hot topics a few years ago.

So any attempt at pretending that there isn't an anti-meritocracy angle to this would be disingenuous to say the least.

That same person behind the manifesto is a primary figure in introducing CoC's to software projects btw.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I've heard the E as both Equity and Equality. Anyone know which it's supposed to be?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 hours ago

The way it was explained to me is, equality is giving everyone equal support. Equity is allocating support unevenly to those who need it most.

Those who advocate meritocracy in bad faith really don't like equity.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (8 children)

Has someone actually been on an interview panel, where you decide to hire someone because they're black?

(I definitely haven't. Although, I haven't been in a position that was in charge of mass hiring.)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago

I manage a team of about 50. I've been in management for about the past decade. Prior to that, I was a technical lead heavily involved in hiring. I've also run multiple intern programs that hire by the dozen each summer. I've hired hundreds and been in thousands of interviews.

Ive never once seen someone hired because of the color of their skin.

I do however aggressively look for people from different backgrounds to be in my candidate pools when hiring. That can really mean anything. Mono culture is a huge detriment to the org because then everyone ends up thinking the same way. I look for people willing to challenge the status quo and bring unique perspectives while still being a great teammate.

There are probably people I've hired who normally wouldn't have gotten an interview based on their background but then were the best candidate. When I've had candidates that are equal, I've occasionally hired the one who is most dissimilar in skills/thought process/goals to my current team because that helps us grow. The decision was never someone's skin color, but their background certainly could have influenced the items I chose as my hiring decisions.

DEI is not just hiring. DEI is creating a culture where people of different backgrounds can succeed. There are so many different ways to be successful at the vast majority of the roles I hire. It's my job to make sure my org is setup so that people can be successful through as many approaches as possible. This is the part I see most often missed. If your culture only allows the loud, brash to lead, I would have missed many of my best hires over the years who led in varied ways.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I have been apart of interviews (at a computer repair shop, mostly men) where my boss said we had to hire the only woman interviewee because it looked bad to not to, and we needed diversity, even though she wasn't very qualified. So we hired her instead of the person who had excelled in the interview.

At my next job we had some diversity hires. It was pre-DEI, but we had a diversity intern program. We hired a guy because he was black, he was qualified and was amazing. Later we hired a person who was also black and wasn't very qualified, they struggled for months and eventually quit - we had hired them based on skin color too.

Not saying I'm for or against, but I've seen situations where diversity became more important than qualifications. I've also seen where both were equally important, and that was preferred.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Tbh, being labeled as hired in a "diversity program" sounds humiliating. You'll have to work twice as hard to prove you're actually capable of doing the job.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I broke out my thesaurus, so anti diversity, equity and inclusion would be conformity, discrimination and segregation. Does that sound about right?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

How about Uniformity, Segregation, and Adversity? I think we can get people on board with our new USA programs.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago

I like how this horrible acronym spells out U. S. A.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This is also why "woke" becoming a common word was bad for both sides. Not only is it nonspecific, but it starts to mean different things to different people and diverges over time. It's easier to demonize something with a nonspecific meaning for exactly that reason.

There's a meme that says "everything I don't like is woke", and while it's funny, that's literally the process that happens when such terms become catchalls -- what they catch depends on what any individual speaker wants out of using it.

With DEI, the process has been the same. I wouldn't be surprised if there are many people who believe it's bad (because they were told that and lack critical thinking skills) and may not even know what the acronym stands for.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 hours ago

Reminds me of that time (as if it was only once) a depressing amount of people, mostly conservatives, didn't know that the ACA and "Obamacare" mean the same thing.

Conservative politics depend heavily on placing labels on everything because it's a built-in way of telling the rubes what they should think and feel.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I would argue DEI nolonger means diversity equity and inclusion.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I think for the"normal" people who aren't frothing at the mouth racists, it's specifically about the HR enforced corporate perversion of diversity, equity and inclusion that they hate. Patronising lecturers and dehumanising metrics often leave a sour taste in peoples mouths, even if the cause is a good one

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

When a metric becomes a target it ceases to be a good metric.

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