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[–] [email protected] 88 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Now that is a leader! His comments underline the senselessness of these tariffs:

“If President Trump wants to usher in a new ‘golden age’ for the United States, the better path is to partner with Canada not to punish us. Canada has the ingredients necessary to build a booming and secure partnership for the North American economy and we stand at the ready to work together.”

“We will stand strong for Canada. We will stand strong to ensure our countries continue to be the best neighbours in the world.”

How could you not ask for a better friend even when you're (US) being an asshole?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

Wouldn’t a subsidy or tax incentive for things produced domestically be a more beneficial way to combat tariffs?

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[–] [email protected] 114 points 13 hours ago (11 children)

The Trump administration says it put the tariffs in place to force China, Mexico and Canada to stop the spread and manufacturing of fentanyl, in addition to pressuring Canada and Mexico to limit any illegal immigration into the United States.

Can anyone else see any actual logic to this? Do the Trump Republicans really believe this, or are they just saying it? What do they really want to achieve, apart from Trump being able to see himself as a tough guy?

[–] [email protected] 83 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (7 children)

Saw a policy expert say it's a mixture of 3 things really:

  1. Trump likes to blame outsiders for problems and this is well received by his loyal base and gives off strongman vibes
  2. long term plan to switch from income tax (scales the more you earn) to consumption taxes (the poorer you are the more you pay for for consumption, relatively speaking) which benefits the rich at the expense of the poor. this wealth transfer is easier to sell when the populace is focused on outsiders
  3. Trump doesn't understand basic economics

source: https://youtu.be/2I1L1fXaYDs

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 hours ago

They absolutely want to implement a national sales tax. They've been talking about it for a very long time and now they have the power to do it. And it's very much a "fuck the poor" policy.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Tarrifs get paid to the Treasury, the Treasury is getting controlled by Musk and Trump, they can take whatever they want from those funds. Whos going to stop them? The Supreme Court takes bribes which can come from the same pot.

He just needs to keep a bit of support until all angles are secured. So he just spreads lies and blames everything on people here illegally to keep people pitted against each other. The largest source of illegals in this country is from overstaying Visas, the thing they are expanding to higher numbers.... Aka more people to keep blaming shit on while putting on a show of deporting the ones that are already here.

Honestly doesn't look like they'll need much time to accomplish it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Or they are just thinking of a quick cash grab ... gut the system and get as much wealth out of everything and everyone as fast and as much as possible ... let it all crash then abandon everything with all their money and let someone else fix everything.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 hours ago

I think in that scenario it's more likely that they would "buy the dip" then that they would up and leave. Some of the billionaires also want to found their own techno-fashist fiefdoms. This could be a good catalyst for that.

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[–] [email protected] 102 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

There's no logic to it at all. It's absolutely not about that.

Almost no fentanyl is getting into the US from Canada. A vanishingly small amount of illegal immigration occurs through the Canadian border.

It's just fascism and imperialism.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 hours ago

The majority of fentanyl being smuggled into America is being smuggled in by American citizens. It's not like cocaine or cannabis. You can smuggle a huge amount of fentanyl in a tiny bottle. Why risk sending it with an undocumented person?

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

They have to say this in order to get around the provisions in the free trade agreement HE signed last time he was in office.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 hours ago

Unfair... Trade deficits....

His words... About his own trade deal

[–] [email protected] 21 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I'mma let you in on a secret: Fentanyl basically is only a meaningful threat to addicts who don't know what they were taking. And if we actually cared about them, we would pump a fraction of a percent of our military budget into rehab and therapy to help them kick the habit and put narcan (sp?) in every emergency first aid kit right next to the defib. Beyond that, it is just an excuse for why a cop beat his wife or murdered a black kid.

As for what they ACTUALLY want to achieve? Saw an analyst hypothesize (on bluesky) that the real goal was the 10% tariffs. Put those on and drop them after vague claims of getting something in return (comparable to South America... fucking earlier this week?). It makes trump look "hard on China" while destabilizing relations between North America and later NATO. And it would result in basically every company jacking up their prices to pass that on to the consumer and then never lowering them because capitalism.

End result? increased profits for the oligarchs who jacked up their "made in America" products even more than the 10% they were now paying on materials and components.'

As for this? I don't like seeing my retirement funds go down the toilet (and am not optimistic they are ever coming back up this time) but fuckin' a. Burn it to the ground. It will hurt the little guy but it will hurt the 0.0000001%ers even more. The world is going to be on fire and have no water by the time I am eligible to take cash out of my 401k without penalties anyway.


That said? I assume he wants his base to believe the reason why groceries are still expensive is because Canada and Mexico just love fentanyl so much and they hate America. And his base will eat it up while the same useful idiots make sure the left is united against the Democrats (who do fucking suck but...).

[–] [email protected] 27 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

A. Enact sales tax on poor people so that they can fund further corporate tax cuts
B. Ruin relationships with the closest American allies as that is a net benefit for geopolitical rivals like Russia, who Trump is demonstrably in bed with
C. Market value collapse let's all the rich cronies that have crawled up Trump's asshole buy out what's left of America's assets at fire sale prices. 10 richest men doubled their wealth during covid. They want that to happen again.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 hours ago

These tariffs are a way for Trump to tax his population so he can fund whatever he pleases. And the majority of his population don't even understand this 25pct tax is going from their pocket straight into his.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

It feels like he's trying to accomplish the kind of hostile take over you see in business. That doesn't really work with a country though....

[–] [email protected] 11 points 12 hours ago

Businesses cannot effectively function when the government is clowning around like this.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 12 hours ago

Trump is still butt hurt about world leaders, especially Justin Trudeau, laughing at him and making fun of him behind his back. The tarrifs are a way to generate funds to pay for tax breaks for the rich. It will also allow American companies to raise prices, and profits, without the cheaper Canadian products and with less supply so more demand. It's a bit of him being a bully, a bit of revenge, but mostly, like everything else he is doing, it's about allowing the wealthy to loot the country bankrupt while burning the thing to the ground and enriching himself.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Trump needs a fight, he cannot function without an enemy.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 hours ago

Tat, meet Tit.

I order a decent amount of coffee from Canada and am pretty miffed about this on a personal level not to mention a philosophical one.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

This is what we get now that prats are running the US economy on adolescent IQs and emotions.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 13 hours ago

The "women are too emotional to be leaders" crowd are running the show with the mentality of a grade school bully

[–] [email protected] 48 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

As an American, I don't see a choice. This is a trade war, shots were fired. I hope it's a short war.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

These trade wars are seldom short, they are easy to start but hard to stop. Look up Chicken Tax (started in 1960s)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 12 hours ago

All we need to look up is the fact that Biden kept a lot of Trump's tariffs. That's not a slander on Biden, just fact. Most people don't understand that you can't just shock entire industries overnight with knee jerk trade policies.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Begun, the Bullshit Wars have.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 hours ago

This time, they'll call it Order 1488.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

Someone explain why he is going after Canada? The US has benefitted from having the safest borders in the world and this dolt wants to jeopardize that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 hours ago

He's salty about America's trade deficit with Canada, which as the other guy said is madness.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 hours ago
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 13 hours ago

It's like "ok fine, we won't buy shit off eachother"

Last I checked US has a bunch of stuff they try to sell.

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