Summary

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez criticized Elon Musk after he made a gesture during Trump’s inauguration resembling a Nazi salute.

Musk and his allies dismissed the comparison, calling such accusations exaggerated.

Ocasio-Cortez, however, called the gesture unacceptable, emphasizing America’s history of opposing Nazis and the Confederacy.

She also condemned the Anti-Defamation League for defending Musk, accusing it of losing credibility.

Her comments sparked broader debate on symbols, gestures, and their implications amid Trump’s return to office.

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[–] 270 points 2 years ago (16 children)

If she's the only one in office that's willing to say anything about this, we're in a lot more trouble than we thought.

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  • [–] 106 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

    Oh, it’s even worse: Dem leadership is actively suppressing her ascendancy.

    Fixed

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  • [–] 149 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    It didn’t resemble a Nazi salute. It was a Nazi salute.

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  • [–] 53 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah all these media sources keep saying things like "a day after Musk used an arm gesture, twice, that resembled the Roman salute adopted by the Nazis."

    It's blatantly obvious that they're afraid of getting sued. Kind of like instead of saying someone lied, they'll soften it up to say they made a statement that some fact checkers may disagree with.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago

    I remember Robert Evans from BTB saying that when he worked in journalism, ANY story on a rich person was automatically followed up on by a lawsuit from the person in question, so they'd have legal on a retainer ready to respond.

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  • [–] 48 points 2 years ago*

    Yup. Twice in a row. Exactly as the Nazis did it.

    Stand to attention facing the crowd. Hand to chest, then full extension. Turn around to face the Fuhrer, or if he isn't there, the Nazi flag. Then stand to attention and sieg heil again.

    He did it. It's not debatable. Don't engage in debate with bad actors attempting to rewrite this history. The richest man in the world, who will act in an official capacity in the White House, is openly a Nazi. Because you are a Nazi if you perform a Nazi salute.

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    [–] 120 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Behold the one prominent US politician with any principles.

    And for that she will never be allowed near any real power...

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  • [–] 57 points 2 years ago

    It's one of the reasons reactionaries hate her so much.

    And also that she's a woman of color who didn't stay "in her place."

    And it's so annoying to hear liberals parrot the same shit because the conglomerates who own liberal media don't want to change the status quo.

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  • [–] 103 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    AOC, you personally might hate Nazis, but your country voted them into the White House, the congress, and the Senate. I wish you the best to fight the scum, like real Americans did 80 years ago.

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    [–] 95 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Do we though? Do we really, truly, hate Nazis? The evidence so far is not that conclusive.

    I hate Nazis, but I don't think the country as a whole hates Nazis.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Well, you certainly used to, judging by the efforts and sacrifices 80 years ago, but there's certainly a lot of evidence to indicate a lot of Americans of today think you were on the wrong side back then.

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  • [–] 82 points 2 years ago (25 children)

    We used to kill Nazis.

    Now we cheer them, shrug them off, or make excuses for them.

    This nation is pathetic.

    I wonder how many conservative's ancestors fought the Nazis and now they're voting for Nazis.

    Hey 2A enthusiasts. This is the moment you've been saying you need your guns for your entire pathetic lives. Where you at?

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    Assuming you're American, you do understand the irony of America taking in the most nazi elite and scientists for their own personal projects right? Also if you read mein kampf you'll find it fascinating how much he was inspired by American legalised racism and ethnic cleanings. America is a nation built like how Israel was, through ideological and legalized genocide, racism, fascism and racism. I'm starting to comprehend how the soviet did the real nazi killing and suffered the real consequences of the Nazis unlike America.

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    [–] 78 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    National identity is imaginary, powerful and useful. What she's choosing to claim with hers is badass. It's brash, in-your-face, heroic. Anti-apathy. And our world needs tonnes more of it.

    As an activist irl, and someone targeted daily by nazis for years, AOC has no illusions about the current state of fash in the USofA, nor the history and current state of slavery and genocide in the world. Nazis (and other misogynists) will tell you she's ignorant and deluded, but you know she's not. She's manifesting, and the irony is lovely.

    If you want to live in the country she does - against all the opposition activists for the common good constantly face - claim it as she claims it. Go find your allies irl and stop letting powerful men tell you there's no point trying anything. Your enemy says you're not a real person, but a thing God put on earth for them to use or destroy.

    Tough love: Hope is hard work. Apathy is an easy trap that flatters your intelligence while it kills your spirit. Trust yourself and make a choice: who is your enemy and how are you going to treat them?

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    [–] 73 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Meh. 25% or so love them, another 25% couldn’t be bothered to care.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    You think the numbers are that low? I'd say tops only 33% of the US still hates nazis. The remainder are split between loving them or being indifferent

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    i never realized that in the final battle between the forces of good, evil, and indifference that the indifferent would be by far the largest and most dangerous faction

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago

    I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season."

    Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

    -Martin Luther King Jr

    He got it

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    [–] 72 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    In This Country, We Hate Nazis

    Lol! No they don't.

    The US has always loved fascism. It's the only one of two political ideologies it endorses.

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    [–] 71 points 2 years ago

    I love AOC but I sure hope she has a really good security team. Most of us hate Nazis, but a whole lot of Republicans are actually Nazis and they hate and despise her.

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  • [–] 57 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    a gesture (..) resembling a Nazi salute

    Fuck off with that shitlib overcautiousness, HuffPo! The only way it could have been any more obviously a Nazi salute would have been if he had screamed "sieg heil!" while doing it!

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    [–] 56 points 2 years ago*

    'In this country, we hate Nazis'

    I wouldn't be so sure. Trump didn't win the election in a packet of cereals...

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  • [–] 49 points 2 years ago

    I want to live in the country she thinks she's living in...

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I greatly appreciate her frustration and look forward to her being the largest voice in dissent.

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

    Fucking preach.

    I really hope AOC considers a 2028 run for President.

    Edit: please fuck off about the uncertainty of 2028 elections, I'm excruciatingly aware, your reminders are not helpful.

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago

    Madam President 🖤

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    I wish that were true

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    The US also let neo-nazis march on the streets without contest.

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    Demonstrably not, AOC.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    Most based AOC, I wonder if the hate-thirsting over her will begin again now that she's becoming such a needed voice in these trying times.

    Only asking because the memes about Ben Shapiro wnating her feet pics were funny as hell.

    But seriously, can it actually not? I low-key hated all the "Let's just tell dumb blonde jokes with AOC instead of the dumb blonde." memes, cause it's like.. when we call Trump dumb, we can point to shit he actually did (like turn every American into a woman because he's too transphobic to know how to read), we aren't just saying it to say it.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    Damn straight. Every US WW II rolled in their grave twice when the sack of shit "Leon Hitler" went on stage. AOC, find a way to fix the Democratic party.

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