The "voters wanted to punish Dems more than they wanted to save democracy" messaging is wild.
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Not one word in there about turning to the right, campaigning with Cheneys, ignoring all progressive policies, and generally behaving like R-lite in a bid to court R-votes that never came, with no message other than "look how much worse Trump is". I'm a little disappointed in Rolling Stone, but not at all surprised that the people they interviewed left those things out.
Ultimately, if this is their analysis, they'll make the 2016 mistakes for a third time in 2028.
Twelfth.
Democrats fall for this grift so often, they should change the party symbol to a pigeon.
Don't over analyze it, America is not ready for a woman to be president. So many women just want to take down other women that its just not time, which is sad. Adding some racial diversity in there just sealed the deal.
More women voted for Hillary than Kamala by percent. The gender gap was way wider too. You can literally just look at the statistics and disprove your own bullshit. Kamala didn't lose because she was a woman because even compared to the other recent woman candidate she did poorly with women.
Funny how female Democratic senators won in three of the swing states Kamala lost, almost as if sexism wasn't the deciding factor... but that could imply that Kamala failed for a reason that's potentially her own fault, which might require some kind of self-reflection on the part of the Democratic party, and we absolutely can't have that under any circumstances. The Democrats can never fail, they can only be failed.
When they started listening to Democrat leadership instead of going with the momentum, I knew it was over. Pelosi and the gang urged the campaign to stop using "weird" and to court centrists with the Cheyne stunt.
If she had publically turned on Pelosi instead of bowing to her, she might have won. Hell, might have even had more luck attracting people on the right who didn't like Trump that way.
One of the things the MAGA heads I used to live around liked about Bernie was that he was giving Clinton grief.
(A Harris source admits the campaign could have made her more available for podcasts if they had more time, saying, “If we had had a six-month runway instead of 107 days … does she do Martha Stewart’s podcast? Does she do something with Ina Garten?… There’s so much, so many things that you can do, but we just didn’t have time.”)
These people will never fucking learn. Martha Stewart and Ina Garten occupy a fraction of the podcast space, which has very quickly come to take up the same platform as late night TV did twenty years ago or radio did before that. Don't forget that Bill Clinton's media blitz making him look like a normal, likeable guy is attributed to his presidency.
I don't like Joe Rogan or listen to JRE but it's obvious that scorning the largest audience in the world is ridiculous. Bernie did it and the comments on YT are overwhelmingly supportive of him. To just write off that entire audience as a lost cause was campaign suicide, even before the whole "i would put a Republican in my cabinet, thank you Liz Cheney" stuff happened, especially as we keep seeing that this election was determined by poor, economically stunted and socially disaffected young men.
The two examples are rich white women. Just still absolutely tone deaf
No, no, no, surely you don't get it: the Harris campaign didn't target affluent, suburban white women enough. With a 6-month extension, they could've surely carved out enough support to counter Trump's gains in literally every relevant demographic.
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If they had 6 months, these examples would have given us way more things to point to on why Harris lost.
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We don't need campaign insiders to tell us anything. We watched her do all the wrong things, just as any corporate democrat candidate would. It's not like anything was a secret. If she wanted workers' votes, all she had to do was actually push some decent policies.
We don't need campaign insiders to tell us anything.
Mostly because they haven’t learned shit. They still think they just needed more time or to change their advertising strategy. It’s infuriating. It’s not how the message was presented, it’s the damn message!
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Yeah don't forget to add the fact she couldn't differentiate herself from biden on the palestine issue
Yeah don’t forget to add the fact she couldn’t differentiate herself from biden on the palestine issue
She absolutely could have. She chose not to.
They lost because they were offering the same bs they always do. No amount of time would have saved them. Trump won because he said he would do things differently. Harris lost because she wasted time fighting the Trump icon instead of offering solutions for everyday people.
Hopefully this failure will help push forth a party for the people instead of the garbage us vs them that we always get from both major parties.
If they’d had an actual primary they would have gotten the pulse of the nation and wouldn’t have been defending an economy most people thought was bad.
Trump won because americans are so incredibly stupid as a nation they think a felon who attempted coup to stay in power is better than a traditionally bad candidate.
Democrats thought they could get away with running a traditionally bad candidate.
I'm not really sure any of this even matters. The dems probably lost for something as stupid as inflation being attributed to the current administration. I bet if that doesn't come down or gets worse congress is gonna flip right back in two years. Everyone here has the damn memory of a goldfish.
If Democrats don’t treat voters like they’re distractable idiots with the memory of a goldfish they won’t win any more elections.
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Its crazy, they spent all that money when all they had to say on live TV to win everyone over (if all you want is to win of course) by saying fuck Israel, no more arms, and fuck all of you being poor, we're going to fix that shit like we did a century ago. Thats all they had to do imo. The Steam from it would have reverberated through every nook and crany.
They could have handled the Michigan problem in a lower key. Letting them speak at the convention and promising real investigations with paused shipments. That way they get the moral high ground for both sides without taking a side.
And as for the affordability crisis. All they had to do was say, we know we have more work to do, we successfully avoided a recession and more we must make sure we don't leave everyday Americans behind. Then go on to talk about trust busting, grocery prices, housing prices, car prices.
Instead they chose fear mongering and status quo. It was an out of touch campaign run by out of touch corporate elites.
They could have handled the Michigan problem in a lower key. Letting them speak at the convention and promising real investigations with paused shipments.
Exactly. As much as I wish Americans were ready to cut off aid to Israel, that's just not the case. The majority of Americans disapprove of Israel's actions in Gaza, but they're still broadly supportive of Israel. Labeling the conflict a genocide and ending all military support would have won me over, but it probably would have been a net loss. Still, there were a lot of small steps they could have taken to show support to the Palestinian population and capitalize on the growing disapproval on Gaza, and instead they chose full-throated support.
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Is it too cynical to say that her billion dollar campaign was a money laundering operation?
A lot of this information is public because they had to file their campaign spend with the FEC. They spent a fuck ton buying ad spots on social media, TV, billboards, print, etc.
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