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[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

OP what do you think of Discovery?

I ask this because 9/10 times someone talks about how Star Trek was "always woke", they are usually just salty people don't like Discovery and trying to pretend that most people who criticized it were bigots.

The other 1/10 times it's someone who doesn't even watch Star Trek trying to hijack the sub to push a bunch of performative culture war nonsense. However that usually involves a Tumblr post implying the Klingons were socially progressive because of how Kor treated Jadzia Dax.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Given that everyone who didn't like the show was a bigot it made me super interested in liking it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

You cant take the actions of one Klingon and assume that describes the behavior of the species. That's racist.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

I get not liking Discovery, but do people really think Lower Decks, SNW, Picard are “Woke?”

Also, obviously, sci-fi is at its best when tackling politics… Isn’t that kinda the point?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

Yep, snw and picard get 'woke' complaints. LD they tend to just attack for being animated

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago

"Woke" has long since lost its original meaning.

Used to mean something positive and progressive. Then it meant something that tried writing itself off as something progressive, but was simply stupid and entitled (i.e. That Batwoman series), now it's anything a right winger hates, even if it isn't trying to be progressive in any way.

Truth is, with NuTrek, it doesn't have a single progressive bone in its body, and the writers don't have the skill to pull off any sort of commentary.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

It's woke because they're so unhinged that basic human decency is woke now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago

Always was

[–] [email protected] 9 points 20 hours ago

SNW has like 90% female crew members. Also the pilot lady has short hair. Therefore woke.

Probably.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QFspemhHmsw A Critique of Star Trek Discovery — Part 1 #RIPStarTrek

This whole essay is worth listening to, but 15:46-30:33 in particular gets at the heart of a big reason why classic Trek rocks and why nuTrek is shit.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Lower Decks remains very good. CBS has tried to pivot Star Trek from Sci-Fi to Space Adventure, and that's been ugly. But not every series they've spun out took that tone.

Also Orville - particularly the latest season - has been incredible. Everything Star Trek is supposed to be.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Also Orville - particularly the latest season - has been incredible. Everything Star Trek is supposed to be.

That show surprised the hell out of me, especially because the first season has more of Seth's typical touch, but then he drops some of the silliness and dives right into being a Trek replacement. It feels like every episode or two has some powerful commentary and things don't always go the way you think they should because situations are more complex than simply right-or-wrong... Like old Trek.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

I am still bummed Lower Decks is over. Great finale, and I'm glad they wrapped up the story nicely. My only complaint is to Paramount not giving us more seasons.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago

I havent gotten past the original series yet (I started with that), so far Star Trek seems like the entire point is to get into complex social and political issues that other companies would be too scared to cover.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“Shatner figured it out? Shatner? This is a real low point. Yeah, this one hurts.”

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"When I have a problem that phasers can't solve, I just kiss a beautiful alien. Then suddenly, I have a completely different problem!" - Jason Tiberius Kirk

Edit: I may have drifted into the Kelvin timeline...

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

“I'm a legit snack” - Nyota Uhura

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

More like the main course 😏

[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Nichelle Nichols was at one point thinking of quitting the show but stayed because MLK Jr. himself told her how important her character was.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago

And without Nichelle Nichols on Star Trek, she wouldn't have been hired by NASA and then we wouldn't have had Sally Ride, so she is a legitimate space hero.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 day ago (20 children)

Guaranteed if original Star Trek came out today, it would be decried as "woke" and "DEI" and there would be outrage over it from the usual culture warriors.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Just out of curiosity, what do you think is more progressive: a spaceship where all female crew is forced to wear miniskirts, a bridge crew that has exactly one woman, the part in the pilot where "Orion sex slaves" are introduced in the horniest possible way, or the married producer who was cheating on his wife with the only two relevant female cast members?

The 1960s was a long time ago. While there are a lot of TOS that aged very well, the idea that the show would be decried as woke is straight up delusional.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Not to be that guy, but in the 60s, mini skirts were considered an empowerment. It was the beginning of the sexual revolution after all. In contemporary times it won't be a miniskirt, it would be something else.

When people say "if star trek were made today" they don't mean time travelling Roddenberry, studio, and crew to today without changes. They mean creating star trek to today to tackle contemporary issues.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Cow pies. "Original Star Trek" clearly referred to TOS.

If OC meant a modern rendition of classic trek, they wouldn't be speaking in hypotheticals. They'd just refer to SNW by name.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

In the hypothetical scenario that I presented, star trek never existed and was created for the first time in contemporary times.

Strange New Worlds doesn't fit in this discussion because star trek was already created in 1966 and this is a prequel/spin-off of that series

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