Kenny Klipz has the goods. This is the real thing, most likely.

BTW it's not behind paywall so do our guy some good and give him some traffic for the scoop.

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[–] 115 points 2 years ago (3 children)

damn it's short. 262 words. definitely one of the reasons they are not posting it because anyone would read it and it isn't as crazy or wild as I thought.

the guy is pissed, he identifies the problem, and what makes it intractable at this point. that is not something power wants spread around, because it's easy to read and digest.

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  • [–] 122 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    The dude might be brainwormed but he carried out an action of class war and his stated reasons are literally class war.

    He's our guy. I don't care whether people found some history of him being suckered into right wing culture war bullshit. Yeah and? The entire working class is deliberately divided along those lines to prevent people from uniting behind this shit.

    If you're waging class war you're on my fucking team, the rest of the shit can be sorted out. Hitlerites can fuck off because they're not waging class war for the proles they're waging it for the protection of the bourgeoisie. But this dude is not a Hitlerite.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago

    100%, the class solidarity seen after what he did has momentum and it needs to keep going. that starts with looking passed whatever weird shit this dude thought about jacking off. he as far as i could tell, wasn't a hateful or bigoted person or anything like that. i can look passed basically anything else.

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  • [–] [S] 32 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Good post, though I think we should remain critical of his tactics. Mercin CEO's might get people to recognize each other, but it's never going to lead to systemic change that can only be achieved by organizing. I don't want dead CEO's, I want a different system that obviates them entirely.

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  • [–] 65 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    I don't want dead CEO's

    I-was-saying

    but it's never going to lead to systemic change that can only be achieved by organizing

    No matter how much you organize, you're gonna have to off the CEOs at some point. They're not gonna hand over the reins peacefully and they are actively fighting against all materially significant "organising". Had Jeff Bezos been shot while Amazon was trying to crush unions, I am sure organising would become easier.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    but it's never going to lead to systemic change

    I think if it happened enough you'd get either gun control or healthcare. Assuming people are doing it with homemade weapons then it'd have to be a healthcare reform solution but I'd guess they'd try gun control first (then someone gets shot over it and they realise they can't).

    Not system change though, you're correct there.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago

    Good post. He's not the hero we wanted or even the one we deserved...but he is the one we have and he has my critical support. Its very different of course but in some ways I'm reminded of Julian Assange and the importance of not missing the forest for the trees.

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  • [–] 86 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country.

    lmao

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  • [–] 78 points 2 years ago* (7 children)

    This still seems pretty not real. This is basically a note saying "I did it, it was me and only me and the proof is I own a computer (I work in engineering so you won't find any "real" evidence). I did it because I hate United. Anyway I know nothing, have no message to send, and couldn't possibly write more bye now"

    Even if this really came from the police, if you wanted to convict somebody with very little effort, this would be the perfect evidence to "find". That in reality makes no sense to actually write.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    The only situation would be if luigi is also in on it lol the only thing he disputed was the 10k in cash and that his backpack was waterproof. Not a "Faraday cage" lol

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I think people are making outrageous overestimations of how competent the NYPD is. The idea that they essentially hired some deep state actor to pretend to be the guy to cover their asses while branching the conspiracy outside of state lines and fooling another department is so ludicrous to me like if they were gonna do that they would at least wait another month or two in case they find the real guy.

    I think this whole thing is fun but the grasping at straws is pretty wild to me like the eyebrow thing was already refuted perhaps we just want the guy to be our Lenin and we’re mad that he’s actually just a techbro weirdo?

    Lots of magical thinking going on IMO but I would be very hyped if I’m wrong about this

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    [–] 76 points 2 years ago

    to the feds, i'll keep this short, you guys are really cool. you all have really large penises and your wives aren't cheating on you. you, the feds, aren't the ones writing this manifesto, i am. i killed that guy and i am guilty. he was alive, i used a gun and shot him, and he is no longer alive. i did that with my hands. the same hands i am using to write this note. the note clarifying i am guilty.

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  • [–] 67 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Media is really out there posting this guy's mug everywhere when it's clearly a different guy in like every goddamn photo in the lead-up to the shooting. Man, fuck this world.

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    [–] 65 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    262 words describing an ideological outlook? Truly STEM graduate level writing.

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    [–] 62 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    this is a fed excercisse in creative writing..

    fedposting

    how are you all falling for this shit ?

    even prepares that they Dont have much evidence on his computer : "The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there"

    if i where the Jury i would not be convinced . looks all to plannted .. why does he suddenly wants to be caught ?

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  • [–] [S] 32 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I mean, if it is, it's at least "real" in the sense as the one that feds have had and are leaking to the media (versus the forgery ppl were talking about the past day or two).

    Ken has good sources and is generally reliable, plus this echoes stuff that's been said by the outlets selectively leaking bits.

    If you want to assume it's fed, that's on you (i'm ambivalent if this is a patsy situation or not myself), but this is the "manifesto" in the sense of the thing that is alleged to have been on him. I trust Ken that far at least.

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    [–] 59 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country.

    brainworms if I hadn't seen his Twitter already Id have a hard time believing you could get to the point of gunning down a CEO and still respect the feds

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  • [–] 66 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    His family deaths and his own surgery give him a personal experience with the insurance issues that have probably driven this. I can see "the feds are good" and "I despise and want to kill health insurance CEOs" co-existing if you haven't read other theory. The main principle of his radicalisation is his lived experience, not books, so he has all the brain worms but the material conditions have still driven him to this.

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    [–] 40 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    if real he cooked with this one “It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

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    [–] 37 points 2 years ago

    Not a manifesto, more a confession letter.

    Not a diss, but I think especially with the words on the casings the act was enough of a manifesto.

    I'm glad to see that fake one sucking off the constitution as the pinnacle of human rights was fake tho

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    “To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    some elementary social engineering

    I'm imagining him calling five or six midtown hotels pretending to want to make changes as Brian Thompson before he hit on one where the desk agent let slip that there was a reservation

    EDIT: apparently the CEO was staying in a hotel "across the street", so it may have been the first or second one he called. judging by the map there's really just the Warwick and The Luxury Collection Hotel Manhattan Midtown that's that close by

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    [–] 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    "manifesto" is kinda overselling it

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    [–] 31 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    He gave Ted's one a 4/5 like he has critique and room for improvement, and then he comes out with this, a 3/5 at best

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    I’ve obtained a copy of suspected killer Luigi Mangione’s manifesto — the real one, not the forgery circulating online. Major media outlets are also in possession of the document but have refused to publish it and not even articulated a reason why. My queries to The New York Times, CNN and ABC to explain their rationale for withholding the manifesto, while gladly quoting from it selectively, have not been answered.

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    He talking about George Moore or Thomas Moore?

    And he’s talking about David Rosenthal, yeah?

    Either way, this kid is weird. lol. Good on him for doing a solid at least.

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