this post was submitted on 10 Dec 2024
191 points (100.0% liked)

news

23640 readers
590 users here now

Welcome to c/news! Please read the Hexbear Code of Conduct and remember... we're all comrades here.

Rules:

-- PLEASE KEEP POST TITLES INFORMATIVE --

-- Overly editorialized titles, particularly if they link to opinion pieces, may get your post removed. --

-- All posts must include a link to their source. Screenshots are fine IF you include the link in the post body. --

-- If you are citing a twitter post as news please include not just the twitter.com in your links but also nitter.net (or another Nitter instance). There is also a Firefox extension that can redirect Twitter links to a Nitter instance: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/libredirect/ or archive them as you would any other reactionary source using e.g. https://archive.today/ . Twitter screenshots still need to be sourced or they will be removed --

-- Mass tagging comm moderators across multiple posts like a broken markov chain bot will result in a comm ban--

-- Repeated consecutive posting of reactionary sources, fake news, misleading / outdated news, false alarms over ghoul deaths, and/or shitposts will result in a comm ban.--

-- Neglecting to use content warnings or NSFW when dealing with disturbing content will be removed until in compliance. Users who are consecutively reported due to failing to use content warnings or NSFW tags when commenting on or posting disturbing content will result in the user being banned. --

-- Using April 1st as an excuse to post fake headlines, like the resurrection of Kissinger while he is still fortunately dead, will result in the poster being thrown in the gamer gulag and be sentenced to play and beat trashy mobile games like 'Raid: Shadow Legends' in order to be rehabilitated back into general society. --

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
191
Luigi's Manifesto - Thanks Ken Klipz (www.kenklippenstein.com)
submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Kenny Klipz has the goods. This is the real thing, most likely.

BTW it's not behind paywall so do our guy some good and give him some traffic for the scoop.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 115 points 1 week ago (3 children)

damn it's short. 262 words. definitely one of the reasons they are not posting it because anyone would read it and it isn't as crazy or wild as I thought.

the guy is pissed, he identifies the problem, and what makes it intractable at this point. that is not something power wants spread around, because it's easy to read and digest.

[–] [email protected] 121 points 1 week ago (7 children)

The dude might be brainwormed but he carried out an action of class war and his stated reasons are literally class war.

He's our guy. I don't care whether people found some history of him being suckered into right wing culture war bullshit. Yeah and? The entire working class is deliberately divided along those lines to prevent people from uniting behind this shit.

If you're waging class war you're on my fucking team, the rest of the shit can be sorted out. Hitlerites can fuck off because they're not waging class war for the proles they're waging it for the protection of the bourgeoisie. But this dude is not a Hitlerite.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago

100%, the class solidarity seen after what he did has momentum and it needs to keep going. that starts with looking passed whatever weird shit this dude thought about jacking off. he as far as i could tell, wasn't a hateful or bigoted person or anything like that. i can look passed basically anything else.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Good post, though I think we should remain critical of his tactics. Mercin CEO's might get people to recognize each other, but it's never going to lead to systemic change that can only be achieved by organizing. I don't want dead CEO's, I want a different system that obviates them entirely.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 week ago (14 children)

I don't want dead CEO's

I-was-saying

but it's never going to lead to systemic change that can only be achieved by organizing

No matter how much you organize, you're gonna have to off the CEOs at some point. They're not gonna hand over the reins peacefully and they are actively fighting against all materially significant "organising". Had Jeff Bezos been shot while Amazon was trying to crush unions, I am sure organising would become easier.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago
load more comments (13 replies)
[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (3 children)

critical of his tactics

yea he should be in indonesia rn

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

MF had five days. He could have gone out into the woods and set everything used in the killing on fire, then went home and been like "I've been CAMPING for the past week what did I miss?" and lived his whole life free and clear.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (13 replies)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago

Good post. He's not the hero we wanted or even the one we deserved...but he is the one we have and he has my critical support. Its very different of course but in some ways I'm reminded of Julian Assange and the importance of not missing the forest for the trees.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago

damn it's short

Well, yeah, the cops only had so much time to write it on the drive to the mcdonalds

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (3 children)

262 words.

actually at the end he's like "and thats why its actually really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really cool to kill ceos"

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country.

lmao

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Suck off the prosecutor and FBI at the top. Really playing for that acquittal.

I hope that happens just for the full hilarity of it. Dude could just go on talk shows and joke about the time he was accused of killing a guy, possibly did it wink, and now he's free

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

This still seems pretty not real. This is basically a note saying "I did it, it was me and only me and the proof is I own a computer (I work in engineering so you won't find any "real" evidence). I did it because I hate United. Anyway I know nothing, have no message to send, and couldn't possibly write more bye now"

Even if this really came from the police, if you wanted to convict somebody with very little effort, this would be the perfect evidence to "find". That in reality makes no sense to actually write.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (8 children)

The only situation would be if luigi is also in on it lol the only thing he disputed was the 10k in cash and that his backpack was waterproof. Not a "Faraday cage" lol

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I think people are making outrageous overestimations of how competent the NYPD is. The idea that they essentially hired some deep state actor to pretend to be the guy to cover their asses while branching the conspiracy outside of state lines and fooling another department is so ludicrous to me like if they were gonna do that they would at least wait another month or two in case they find the real guy.

I think this whole thing is fun but the grasping at straws is pretty wild to me like the eyebrow thing was already refuted perhaps we just want the guy to be our Lenin and we’re mad that he’s actually just a techbro weirdo?

Lots of magical thinking going on IMO but I would be very hyped if I’m wrong about this

load more comments (5 replies)
load more comments (7 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 week ago

to the feds, i'll keep this short, you guys are really cool. you all have really large penises and your wives aren't cheating on you. you, the feds, aren't the ones writing this manifesto, i am. i killed that guy and i am guilty. he was alive, i used a gun and shot him, and he is no longer alive. i did that with my hands. the same hands i am using to write this note. the note clarifying i am guilty.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Media is really out there posting this guy's mug everywhere when it's clearly a different guy in like every goddamn photo in the lead-up to the shooting. Man, fuck this world.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a modern day Sacco and Vanzetti

Just grabbing the nearest Italian man and putting on him

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago

Time is a flat circle.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 week ago (2 children)

262 words describing an ideological outlook? Truly STEM graduate level writing.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Never have I heard a truer statement in my life. Most engineers I've known could sum up their ideologies in 14.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

this is a fed excercisse in creative writing..

fedposting

how are you all falling for this shit ?

even prepares that they Dont have much evidence on his computer : "The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there"

if i where the Jury i would not be convinced . looks all to plannted .. why does he suddenly wants to be caught ?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, if it is, it's at least "real" in the sense as the one that feds have had and are leaking to the media (versus the forgery ppl were talking about the past day or two).

Ken has good sources and is generally reliable, plus this echoes stuff that's been said by the outlets selectively leaking bits.

If you want to assume it's fed, that's on you (i'm ambivalent if this is a patsy situation or not myself), but this is the "manifesto" in the sense of the thing that is alleged to have been on him. I trust Ken that far at least.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Edit : Sorry , did read it wrong

the Super escapist went , dressed with his murder cloths and with his murder Weapon, into the Mc donald, he also Wrote a Manifest that explainse the lack of evidence on his computer , and in which he thanked us the cops ,as Cops are Awsome! , for their valuable service to the community"

fedposting

load more comments (7 replies)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Also feds I actually think you're super cool and I bet you all fuck a lot especially Jerry Smith, who is employed in the public relations department of the FBI he looks like he has a monster dong"

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (15 children)

I've been saying since yesterday that I don't believe he's the real shooter. This is all far too convenient lol and he looks fuck all like the guy(s) in the CCTV footage to me.

load more comments (15 replies)
[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country.

brainworms if I hadn't seen his Twitter already Id have a hard time believing you could get to the point of gunning down a CEO and still respect the feds

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

His family deaths and his own surgery give him a personal experience with the insurance issues that have probably driven this. I can see "the feds are good" and "I despise and want to kill health insurance CEOs" co-existing if you haven't read other theory. The main principle of his radicalisation is his lived experience, not books, so he has all the brain worms but the material conditions have still driven him to this.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

because the feds probably wrote it

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago

Wouldn't be the first time they fabricate evidence

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago

removed at 1312 lol

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago

lol reddit-logo stay losing.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

if real he cooked with this one “It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] bdonvr 37 points 1 week ago

Not a manifesto, more a confession letter.

Not a diss, but I think especially with the words on the casings the act was enough of a manifesto.

I'm glad to see that fake one sucking off the constitution as the pinnacle of human rights was fake tho

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (13 children)

“To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago

New tagline

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

some elementary social engineering

I'm imagining him calling five or six midtown hotels pretending to want to make changes as Brian Thompson before he hit on one where the desk agent let slip that there was a reservation

EDIT: apparently the CEO was staying in a hotel "across the street", so it may have been the first or second one he called. judging by the map there's really just the Warwick and The Luxury Collection Hotel Manhattan Midtown that's that close by

load more comments (11 replies)
[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"manifesto" is kinda overselling it

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He gave Ted's one a 4/5 like he has critique and room for improvement, and then he comes out with this, a 3/5 at best

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

That's generous

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I’ve obtained a copy of suspected killer Luigi Mangione’s manifesto — the real one, not the forgery circulating online. Major media outlets are also in possession of the document but have refused to publish it and not even articulated a reason why. My queries to The New York Times, CNN and ABC to explain their rationale for withholding the manifesto, while gladly quoting from it selectively, have not been answered.

load more comments (8 replies)
[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

He talking about George Moore or Thomas Moore?

And he’s talking about David Rosenthal, yeah?

Either way, this kid is weird. lol. Good on him for doing a solid at least.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My assumption was he was referencing Michael Moore’s Sicko.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

what does "manifesto" mean these days?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

Something a criminal wrote to be put out as a press release that the press will only coyly allude to, rather than publish.

load more comments
view more: next ›