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  1. We're trying to improving working conditions and pay.

  2. We're trying to reduce the numbers of hours a person has to work.

  3. We talk about the end of paid work being mandatory for survival.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Poverty exists not because we cannot feed the poor, but because we cannot satisfy the rich."

There is more than enough wealth in any nation and in the world in general to feed, provide health care, even education, shelter and opportunities to every living person on the planet. The problem is not a lack of resources or even limited resources ... it's an imbalance of power and wealth. A small group of individuals own and control everything while the rest of us struggle to maintain the little we have and a good number of us don't even have that.

This isn't a call to revolution or to ask everyone to violently swing to the complete opposite of the political spectrum. We have to create a world and society that is more balanced and equitable to everyone, everywhere .... the poor have to be brought up to living standard that respects their lives and the ultra wealthy have to be brought down to earth to share the excesses they will never use or enjoy.

Education and wealth is known to lower population growth so there is no need to fear monger everyone into believing that we will eat the planet dry if everyone is able to afford a hamburger.

Think of the possibilities of humanity if everyone had an equal (or least a decent) chance of an education and to explore their potential? What do you think would happen to the world if we filled it with doctors, engineers, scientists, researchers, academics, professionals of all kinds of fields? Instead of trying to figure out how to build bigger more destructive, creative and terrible bombs or killing machines ... we'd be building space stations to travel and colonize a planet or harness the power of the sun directly.

We have the potential but we keep getting held back by a small group of people who want to own the entire planet during our short inconsequential lives while the majority of us just accept that as completely acceptable and normal.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Poverty exists not because we cannot feed the poor, but because we cannot satisfy the rich."

That's a good quote. Who is it from?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I wondered about that too when I first saw it a year or so ago.

But apparently it's an anonymous internet comment.

https://medium.com/incendiary/poverty-exists-because-the-rich-cannot-be-satisfied-c65a6119ab69

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Ditto, fuck me that goes hard

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The only answer is to sell drugs.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But then who's to buy the drugs?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

You have some good business sense. That's a good target market for your product.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Forcing someone out of lifesaving healthcare and shooting someone in the back is functionally the same thing. When one of those things happens once, and the other happens constantly every day, we gotta consider the two relative to each other: Brian Thompson was more violent than his killer thousands-fold. The killer's act doesn't even amount to a rounding error in contrast to Thompson's. Any posts stating support for health insurance CEOs or decrying their forceful deposition is advocating for violence and should be reported immediately for its clear violation of Lemmy's TOS.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Lemmy's TOS.

i don’t disagree with the sentiment, but this isn’t how the fediverse works

that might seem like a trivial critique, but it’s important because the structure we create for dealing with these issues can be far more diverse and human-focused than corporate TOS if we forget those terms and build back better

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

So, basically social murder (cw: natopedia)

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning."

  • Warren Buffett

I mean... they're quite open about it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I figured I'd dig a bit and find the source. It's from a 2006 NYT article. Here's the quote in context:

It turned out that Mr. Buffett, with immense income from dividends and capital gains, paid far, far less as a fraction of his income than the secretaries or the clerks or anyone else in his office. Further, in conversation it came up that Mr. Buffett doesn’t use any tax planning at all. He just pays as the Internal Revenue Code requires. “How can this be fair?” he asked of how little he pays relative to his employees. “How can this be right?”

Even though I agreed with him, I warned that whenever someone tried to raise the issue, he or she was accused of fomenting class warfare.

“There’s class warfare, all right,” Mr. Buffett said, “but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

This quote is nominally about the ruling class manipulating the state for their own benefits. However, I don't think he would do away with class as a Marxist revolution would. Rather, he thinks class warfare would end when the rich are taxed a proportion equal to the working class. The state would still exist in service of the bourgeois, ownership of the means of production would still be theirs, and society would still be shaped by them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

capitalism can work if it's regulated and everyone pays their fare share, but as we all know -- that's not actually capitalism. Still, a lot of people believe in that system and think it can continue to operate as long as the corruptible elements of it are mitigated

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Regulations are always, inevitably, destroyed by capitalism. Even when it's in the market's best interests, capitalism still needs ever increasing profits for capitalism to function. As the rate of profit declines the capitalists have to go after the very regulations that capitalism needed to work in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think as the capital owning class is the ruling class, then it's capitalism even if everyone pays an equivalent share to the state. I think the crux of the issue is if there is a group of people who can meet their living needs without having to sell their labor.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

The disabled and impoverished benefiting from societal programs are not the issue, Capitalists are.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"The enemy is neither left nor right, they are above."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They're always on the right dude.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

While I don't disagree that right wing assholes have been gleefully ruining everything for pretty much my entire adult life, the billionaires are the puppet-masters orchestrating the entire show, and no matter which side wins, they always come out on top. That's by design. We can't fight a class war when we're at each other's throats constantly and too distracted fighting an ideological culture war that has been raging for decades.

Anybody who is gung-ho about this red team or blue team shit is unknowingly a mercenary footsoldier in the billionaire class war against the poor. We need to start caring less about whether our ninety-nine-percenter neighbor is flying a Trump flag or a Biden flag and start caring more about the point-oh-one percent of fat cats picking our pockets and getting away with it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Maybe this will clear it up: Biden is right-wing.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sometimes seeds need a little mulch, and a little manure. I just want everyone to know I'm doing my part. I'm CONSTANTLY shitting on Brian Thompson.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's always been a class war. The billionaires have been using the news media they own to keep us from figuring out where the REAL source of our pain comes from.

If they can keep us distracted with bullshit and fighting among ourselves, then they can keep running off with all the f*cking money.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

That's why I made an introductory Marxist reading list, without theory people have a general idea of who the big bad is but no way to combat that, and in doing so leftist infighting becomes one of the principle issues.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What an interesting thing to observe. The United States health insurance system is such a complete f****** disaster, and a great many Americans know that, but many of those Americans also feel that the US is the best country in the world. So there is this cognitive dissonance where people are angry but some still won't admit that maybe Canada and the UK and Japan and dozens of other countries are all doing it better.

And if you're unwilling to recognize a systemic failure, then maybe the best you can do is hope for a hero or at least some kind of vigilante warrior to come along and dispense justice or karma or whatever you want to call it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

That's because conservatives are very individualistic for whatever reason. Instead of seeing systemic issues they see bad apples.

They don't see health insurance as a flawed concept that is made to exploit them, they see it as a system that got corrupted by the "elite" (aka the Jews, probably)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

That's because conservatives are very individualistic for whatever reason. Instead of seeing systemic issues they see bad apples.

Because conservatism inherently relies on fear of change, simple thinking, and avoiding the discomfort of questioning the status quo at all costs. You want to believe that everything is hunky-dory the way it is, and avoid thinking too hard about all the ways it might not be.

It's uncomfortable to think that the system you're participating in and benefitting from might be the cause of it. No one ever wants to think they're the bad guy. It's the reason they hate stuff like CRT so much, because it's an incredibly uncomfortable thought to imagine that everything they've known and tried to maintain is actually a complete nightmare and they've been part of it in some way.

The world is much scarier when you see the pain and suffering so many experience, and it's through no fault of their own. No matter what they do or didn't do, some people just get dealt a shit hand, either by chance, or because of systemic issues. It's much easier to say "The system I believe in is totally fine and just, it's their fault they haven't been able to reach the same place I have".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Canada and the UK and Japan and dozens of other countries are all doing it better.

Propaganda has that one covered:

"There are people in Canada that wait months and months to see a doctor for serious problems!"

It's the most common thing I hear when I discuss healthcare with anyone... "But the waittttssss!"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

But reality has the response covered:

Many European countries has a max wait time of 90 days for non-emergency elective surgery. If the wait is longer than that at a public hospital, the patient can choose to have the surgery done at a private hospital if there's room at no additional cost. Emergencies are always treated immediately, of course. You can also choose to have a private top-up health insurance plan if you wish to always be treated at private hospitals.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Who the fuck is Brian Thompson?? Let's just go ahead and keep saying "the CEO" agreed?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Agreed. Who cares which CEO? They're all garbage humans.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a digital garden, baby.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Grow, my little digital creation, GROW!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Execs are tyrants, and we have an amendment in mind for that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Execs are not tyrants, they are lap dogs of the owner class...

This just a dead officer within the cartel structure, the Don is still winning and this a small price to lay for him to find out that we have him.

Owners will adjust and working class gloating will face retaliation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The execs take perverse delight in the ways they rob the workers of their wealth, make them suffer, and leave them to die. They are cruel and oppressive. They aren't simply lap dogs, and not all of then are beholden to hire ups. Many of them like Bezos and Musk are the ones in charge.

If you work at a company, did you elect the execs of that company? Do you have any way within the system of the company to hold said execs in check when they abuse their power? Did you vote for the pay scale of the company? Did you vote on benefits packages?

The answer to all these is almost certainly no. The execs are the business equivalent of dictators. They are tyrants, even if "benevolent" or controlled by a higher up tyrant.

And we see the same thing happen on a country level on the world stage. Big powers will topple or influence small countries and install a dictator that is beholden to the big power. That doesn't make the dictator any less of a dictator just because they themselves are owned.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Don't worry, mine's been growing and blooming for years. Hopefully, I can help others' seeds grow as well.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

takes seed and gives it a single gentle kiss

then plants it in the rainforest I'm growing under my house

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To take advantage of this seed, I made an introductory Marxist reading list. Without learning theory, there can be no real revolutionary movement that doesn't stumble over countless avoidable pitfalls.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

And that seed grew and bloomed into...
1-star reviews for a McDonalds in Pennsylvania

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