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Automotive research firm finds that Tesla has higher frequency of deadly accidents than any other car brand

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I work as a valet driver and the Tesla - unlike any other car including the newer EVs from other brands - seems like it was designed by people who have never driven a car. Ever.

Call me crazy but having nearly all the controls in a stupid idiotic touch screen where you have to scroll through multiple menus for basic car settings is a terrible idea. And so is braking by letting off the gas.

And the people who buy them tend to be a certain kind of person… not the brightest

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Braking by letting off the gas? So you can’t coast, it’s either go or stop?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 41 minutes ago

Yeah and I HATE it. I drove my cousins Tesla when it first came out, way before musk started publicly acting like the douchebro he is and before there was really a Tesla fanboy club with a bunch of wannabes slobbing musks knob online.

I think I drove it in the neighborhood for like five minutes, stopped and parked the car and asked my cousin to drive it back. Hating it is an understatement.

Last year all the valets and I agreed we won’t be parking Tesla’s because of how much we hate them, but management overruled us this year.

I’ve been driving for 20 years. I shouldn’t need a lesson from a Tesla owner on how to drive their car. The fact that I do shows how fucking dangerous they are. They’re not designed by people who drive and it’s so fucking obvious that the computer nerds who design them get chauffeured everywhere by Ubers.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

It's called regen braking and puts energy back into battery. You can also control how strong the regen is in settings.

I prefer strong regen and hold mode. The car will slow as soon as you release the accelerator pedal. Hold mode basically means the car stays put when it's stopped until you press the accelerater. Creep mode would have the car roll forward when you release the brake.

The one pedal driving works really well but there is a small learning curve. I would find it a bit annoying to switch back and forth like the valet guy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

B-but it looks so sleek and clean! Who cares about safety!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 26 minutes ago

Does it? Looks outdated to me.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

As an ev driver, some people shouldn't be allowed this much acceleration 0-60 time, me included.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I've got a "shitbox" VW Golf - the twin charger version, it's only around 118kw. It's not quick by any stretch of the imagination even with the bolt-on mods mine has so far.

I'd not like to imagine the levels of trouble I'd find myself in owning even a midrange EV. Being able to give an EV a ham sandwich and hit 100kph in ~5 seconds or less is absurd.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago

Not to mention the weight. Those premium vehicles with long range stats are very heavy. That's what makes them so terrifying to me.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

But all they did was market their pretty good lane-assist and automated braking as a magic butler that lets you nap in the driver's seat.

How could this happen??

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

It really shouldn't be legal to call it "full self driving" unless you can take a nap in the back seat.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago

It shouldn't be called "full self driving" unless the company is going to cover the collision part of my insurance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

It's actually not. Tesla just won't care until the feds sue them in court for it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Two Tesla owners got so mad…

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Two Tesla owners walk into a bar. One stops in the middle on the way to the aeat and the other one drives right into a fire truck

[–] [email protected] 118 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (50 children)

Which is odd, because most electric vehicles (including some models of the Tesla) have better crash ratings due to having a crumple zone where the engine would be. Assuming that’s still true, there must be another factor that tips the balance towards deadly accidents. Some thoughts:

  • They are heavy cars. Maybe it’s safer for the passengers but more deadly for the other vehicle.
  • Maybe Tesla drivers are more irresponsible than other car owners.
  • Maybe the torque and acceleration is too high, causing people to lose control more often.
  • Maybe something that doesn’t get rated in the crash ratings causes deaths, eg. electric locks which are unable to open when power is lost, a likely scenario during collisions.
  • Maybe the FSD features are causing more collisions to happen.
[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago

"A vehicle’s size, weight, and height certainly play a part in its ability to protect passengers in a crash,” said Brauer. “But the biggest contributor to occupant safety is avoiding a crash, and the biggest factor in crash avoidance is driver behavior. A focused, alert driver, traveling at a legal or prudent speed, without being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, is the most likely to arrive safely regardless of the vehicle they’re driving.”

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Last time I looked up publicly available crash statistics in the US and calculated the per-maker numbers, Tesla was like 1/80th the typical per capita crashes of the average auto maker. That was a few years back, but I doubt that's changed without some sketchy statistic interpretations.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

They looked at fatal crashes only, which is presumably a very small share of all crashes. They also normalised to per mile driven using a sample of data they have - presumably some data on miles driven by car type.

Could be sketchy, could just be a much smaller sub-population.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago

they used crash statistics for new cars with models from 2018 to 2022, where tesla is the most dangerous brand

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