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[-] [email protected] 128 points 7 months ago

I've never "debloated" Windows so idk about the top half.

The bottom half is accurate. Debian, Fedora, and Mint are easier to install than Windows 10 or 11. Not that Windows is difficult, it's just a bit clunky and idiosyncratic.

I assume Microsoft doesn't care much about the installer since it's generally only used by OEMs, whereas for Linux distros it's a first impression so it has to be polished.

[-] [email protected] 75 points 7 months ago

No excuse though. Try the "install as oem" of Linux Mint. You get an install with temporary oem account, you can update the system, install additional programs, then click "Prepare for shipping to end user" and on next boot you're greeted with a setup screen.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago

That sounds pretty nice. More installers should have something like that

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[-] [email protected] 70 points 7 months ago

Almost everyone using Linux installed it. Almost no one using Windows installed it.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

You don't think that many people build their own Windows PCs? Linux gaming isn't that old in the grand scheme of things, and there's plenty of people who dual boot for various reasons.

I'd almost be willing to bet that there are more people who've installed Windows on their PC than there are people who've installed Linux from a pure numbers standpoint.

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[-] [email protected] 58 points 7 months ago
[-] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

Like every linux community. Living in a bubble that doesn't exist.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago
[-] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

Installing any operating system is often a hassle. This comes in part from my own experience trying to understand the unguided partition recommendations of a Bazzite (basically Fedora on low level) install. I got through it, but it was certainly no easier than Windows.

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[-] [email protected] 55 points 7 months ago
[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Well Mac users do too... Well they don't... but someone does.

I was that someone for some family members. I felt icky the whole time.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

I once upgraded a girl's parents' computer to System 8 and didn't realize it wasn't supported. Fucked up the BIOS (or whatever Macs used back then) and they had to ship it back to Apple to get fixed. I did not hear from her again.

But I haven't actually installed Mac OS since about Puma. New operating systems just come down in the normal software update. But I still cherish my OS X Beta DVD.

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[-] [email protected] 49 points 7 months ago

Windows requires pressing next 12 times, what are you people smoking and can I haz?

[-] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

There's also a number of things you have to click "no" on, like a free trial office or Onedrive.

It took me around an hour to set up my new Win 11 laptop, most of which was downloading and installing updates. I expected far worse.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

Oh please, we spend an hour fucking around in a new Linux install to get things the way we like them too.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

A new Linux installation is usually usable and you spend an hour tailoring it to your specific needs. While in a new Windows installation I spend the first hour remembering things that'll start popping up/executing in the background and disabling them just to get it to a usable state.

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[-] [email protected] 47 points 7 months ago

would love to see some actual market research on this. sit down a sample of users, have them install then use some OSs. interview them on their experience. rather than yknow making up data

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

well people dont actually install OSs

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[-] [email protected] 41 points 7 months ago

Biased as fuck lol. Installing windows is not difficult. I did it first time at the age of 8 witn WIndows 98 and their newer installers are made so the general public can do it. And the bloat and spyware? Thats windows dude. Its not meant to be your OS, its meant to spy on your ass at the benefit of being familiar and (relative) easy to use. Anything you do to it post clean install is your own tinkering. Linux distros are great yall, but install difficulty is not a metric I would use to attack windows. Comparing between distros makes sense.

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[-] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Install windows, run debloat powershell script. Done.

Microsoft give no shortage of things to complain about without needing to exaggerate.

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[-] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago

What an absurdly sycophantic graph.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago

I can agree that installing Arch is easier than installing a debloated Windows. But Gentoo? I spent 2 weeks trying to install it, but couldn't get past partitioning the drive.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

...paritioning the drives is exactly the same for Arch as it is Gentoo lol if you did it for Arch, why can't you do it for Gentoo?

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

I don't even know what this graph is even supposed to mean. Bitch about Windows all you like but the installation process is typically very simple.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago

There is no X axis so I'm going to assume it means potatoes per guinea pig

[-] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

I guess it means that no one here knows what Windows Debloated is and didn't read far down enough to see regular windows marked as very easy to install.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Boot off usb, create partitions, wait, spend five screens clicking 'no' on all of the options, unplug ethernet so it allows you to make a local account, wait, login, spend 15 minutes uninstalling all of the preinstalled nonsense, disable all of the advertising on the task bar and desktop, pretend the rest of the telemetry doesn't exist, download and install the latest drivers from each manufacturers website. Very simple.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Man. Last time I just wanted to check if my new laptop was working properly, so I booted up it's preinstalled Windows. I literally had to look up how to get Windows to get me into Explorer without creating an account or connecting it to my network.

It took me about 25 minutes and Windows was already installed on the damn thing.

It took 15 minutes from booting a prepared Fedora stick to logging in.

I honestly believe that, by now, Linux is no more difficult than Windows. People are just not used to the differences.

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago

1000017289 Installing gentoo

[-] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

Installing windows takes stupidly long. You have to click through 60 pages and click "No, i don't want to share my data" just for them to collect it anyway

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

As much as I wish this were true, this is in a bubble where Windows isn't already preinstalled on everything.

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

Um... My grandma installed Windows 11 on her computer and then ran a simple script I gave her after. You guys are delusional.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Was it a script to install your own crypto miner?

[-] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

oh damn that sucks, thats why you dont click suspicious links

[-] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

I love Debian, but it's installer is shit.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

brother, 99% of users will never even consider installing their own os. the issue isn't that Linux is hard to install, the issue is that pretty much anyone brave enough to even mess with their operating system is either already on Linux, a boomer, or trapped by professional software that isn't available on Linux (that's me, a videographer)

the only way Linux is breaking out of extreme obscurity is if it starts coming pre-installed on commercially available and desirable hardware. the steam deck did more for Linux in a single product launch than the entire decade of combined efforts before that. before the deck i would have said it was simply never going to happen, but who knows. maybe it'll be up to eccentric billionaires that never went public with their companies to push the Linux future we all want.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Installing regular Windows 10/11 is definitely more than twice as painful than installing Debian 12.

Once, I was trying to install Windows 10 and wasted an entire day! The installation would systematically fail at the beginning of the installation with a BS error message that doesn't give any hint about what's going wrong. In the end it just didn't like USB3 as an installation media! I reflashed it to a USB2 and it worked, but OMG was it super slow ! It took literally hours to install !!!

Debian, even as a noobie, you'll go from flashing your ISO to a booted system within an hour. If you've done it once before, you will get it done in 20 minutes.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

This is true, but the people who think of Windows as easier to use are not people who install operating systems themselves.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

I install OSes myself and windows is easy.

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Windows 11 without a Microsoft-Account = terminal required. Linux Mint = terminal not required.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Installing debloated windows is not difficult at all.

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