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Turnout was a much bigger problem than where the votes went. The Democrats lost not against the Republicans so much as against their voter base. Turnout tends to be the biggest predictor for who wins US elections as the Republicans tend to have more dedicated/consistent voters
Well, anyone who voted for Trump is part of the reason Trump was voted, independent of skin colour. And I think voting for Trump is beyond stupid, even if you are a staunch conservative. Why is that racism?
The US is so fundamentally racist there is an entire holiday dedicated to answering the question of whether or not Italians are real white people.
At first I was kind of annoyed that Columbus was the guy proving that Italians belong in the grouping, but you know what? Maybe he was the whitest dude to ever live, which explains all of the crimes against humanity.
No one is blaming minorities for the rise of Trump, they're pointing out that since Trump expanded his margins across all demographics, Kamala Harris' failure can't be easily explained away by racism or misogyny, and there must be a deeper frustration among many of the groups that make up the Democrats' coalition like black and Latino Americans. Also, I rarely hear Democrats make this point; they seem to mainly blame wokeness.
I think you need to read the news more, then. We've seen so many articles focusing on the Hispanic vote, for example. Which is a fine thing to write about, but we should always keep in mind the horrendous numbers of openly racist white folk.
And if you haven't seen Democrats trying to blame people, where were you last month? How many posts did we see blaming third party voters? How many posts did we see accusing everyone complaining about genocide as Russian plants? Democrats and Democrat supporters were desperately looking to deflect attention from themselves, both then and now.
Thanks, I read the news plenty. I've seen pundits spend lots of time examining the Latino departure from the party. I've seen liberals blame everyone to their left. I've seen Democrats pivot towards blaming wokeness (specifically, the centrist Democratic delegates at the DNC), except for Nancy Pelosi, who directly blames Biden. They seem desperate not to acknowledge minority groups voting for Trump, since it would mean acknowledging the unraveling of the Obama Coalition.
And what is "wokeness." "Wokeness" means to them the existence of queer people, women, and POC.
Also, I envy you for not seeing democrats blame minorities for the rise of Trump, I wish I could be so happily nieve.
Wokeness to them means, "progressive policy positions we believe will be a net loss with the electorate." This year, that will almost certainly mean abandoning trans people, since the bigoted, "she's for they/them," campaign Trump ran against Harris was very effective. It's similar to how the party was happy to capitalize off the energy of the 2020 BML protests, but once the phrase, "Defund the Police," started test poorly with the electorate, they began distancing themselves from the movement.
I haven't heard any Democrats blame minorities. I mean, sure, I've seen terminally online people say that Muslims and Latinos deserve what's about to happen, but the actual Democrats don't seem to want to even acknowledge the loss. They pretty much only have identity politics left for a platform; they've adopted conservative positions on fiscal policy, foreign policy, and border policy; all they can really do to differentiate themselves from Republicans is to not be openly hostile to minority groups. The fact that they are now losing these groups seems like something few of them want to acknowledge.
I kinda get what you mean, am I’m really weirded out by how obsessed the US is with ethnic groups, like “black vote”, “white vote” etc, because most countries don’t focus on race like that.
But data wise, Trump barely increased his vote share in white men over last election, but significantly increased in black men, so I think that’s why some data analysts are pointing it out as an interesting shift in the electorate. However to suggest it’s any ethnic group’s “fault” someone won is just stupid. And if you’re gonna do that, try gen-X white men living in the countryside.
That’s because most countries are far more ethnically homogenous than the US. The ones that aren’t show similar patterns. Look at India for example. Or Israel.
As an outsider, my guess is to construct and and cultivate the idea that minorities vote in a block. I mean, no one literally needs to be told that non white people all vote for the same person or anything. However, it only has to work just enough to make just enough white people vote down racial lines.
Or maybe the DNC refuses to speak to, let alone execute an agenda regarding the needs of the working class, election after election. Of course they'd be trounced after effectively revealing themselves as controlled opposition.
My forlorn hope is a massive repudiation of the Democratic establishment in the next round of primaries.
Armed revolution in the face of predator drones with hellfires and 5th generation multi-role fighter aircraft is a fools errand for suicidal rubes.
"So V, quiet life or blaze of glory hm?"
1812 overture intensifies
Yes I know, wrong V. I don't care.
Yo prefiero vivir con paz si posible.
Wouldn't we all, but needs must when the devil drives.
I'm all for not scapegoating any minority, since what's notable about the Black vote is roughly the same as for Latin American, younger demographics, and so on: it isn't that they are "to blame," it's that the support increased over 2016 or 2020.
So while it's a good reminder not to scapegoat, we definitely still need to talk and think about how different demographics (who will absolutely lose rights and opportunities under Trump) looked at Trump and decided to say, "more, please," if we're ever going to get out of this mess.
There's that quote that said something along the lines of give poor white men someone to look down on and they'll empty their pockets for you. I think that's one of the reasons latino voters voted for Trump. There was a lot of misinformation demonizing Venezuelan immigrants in spanish and I think that led a lot of these morons to believe they were part of the "in" group and they would benefit.
LBJ said it:
“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you. - Lyndon B. Johnson”
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9150190-if-you-can-convince-the-lowest-white-man-he-s-better
Had a similar thought and you put it very well! AP VoteCast data here is helpful on this point (caveat that final numbers are probably still not in yet)
53% of white women also voted for Trump in 2024. They also swung the vote in 2016.
But really, the DNC just fucked up, plain and simple. They're run by a quorum of dinosaurs all Group Thinking their soggy old brains to failure after failure.
The moderate wing feels entitled to those votes.
And for whatever reason they keep doubling down on refusing to do voter outreach and listening to what Dem voters want. Current leadership will never back away from the strategy of:
What are ya gonna do, vote R?
Because it's obviously not working. As long as we allow the DNC to prioritize rewarding donor bundlers with leadership positions, it'll never change.
The only metric is bringing money in, so whoever pays the most gets to determine the party platform.
Which wouldn't suck so much if the DNC was the furthest right option. When that's how the furtherest left option acts, turnout will always be abysmal and even when we "win" we still lose and billionaires always win.
Because of citizens united, money decides election wins. So how do we win without donors?
They outspent and lost this time.
That doesn’t mean we can win without donors. Republicans had foreign bots and billionaires buying votes.
Instead the base should focus their anger on the democratic party itself. Give us something to fight for or keep losing
Haven’t had a real primary since 2008. WTF is this anti democratic “superdelegate” bullshit?
The party leadership has been captured by big money donors.
Every election cycle, the Democrats and media start to fret about the black vote. Will black women turn out? Will black men vote correctly? And this cycle culminated in the Obamas going on a "pull your pants up and vote" tour to boost turnout.
Now I'm not black, but I recognize double standards and condescension. I wouldn't want to be treated that way.
After the election, Latinos have been targeted by progressive rage and lashing out. I've seen people that I used to respect say that they deserve to be deported because of their vote.
So black folks, brown folks, Hispanics, etc go ahead and vote for trump. Fuck around and find out. DNC sucks balls, but if you can't vote minimally in your own interests you're about to get what's coming to you. Sorry about ya, the writing is on the wall.
My Indiana coastal elite D voting ass is not spending any more time or energy saving morons from their own vote.
What, they demanded incompetent racist fuckery. Order up! The fact that they brought down all women with them is, like, a bonus.