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[–] 118 points 2 years ago

Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man. You take a step towards him, he takes a step back. Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.

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  • [–] 77 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    "Why isn't anybody voting for us"

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  • [–] [S] 54 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    I think the question they ask is more like "why are people voting for the other side?" ...leading to "we need to be more like them"

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  • [+] 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)
  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago* (9 children)

    There's also the choice of doing what Bernie did, and build up an alternative from the local level, but that would require people to realise that politics aren't restricted to TV-level races nor snooze for 4 years.

    If Americans did that in large scale they could to the democratic party the reverse of what the tea party did to the republican party.

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  • [+] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)
  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    That's because there are only a handful of "Bernies". A party is not a monolithical block, it's the sum of it's members, and the centrists end up being in charge because they are the ones that end up representing the party at most levels. If you want to shift the balance you need leftists to run for school boards, and city halls, and build from there by starting taking over the state committees and DNC members elected by each state (which in turn control the DNC).

    If even the most extreme of the extreme right managed to do it in the republican party, there's no reason why a moderate left movement couldn't do it in the democratic party - if anything I would expect it to be easier.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago

    Always reach across the isle and punch nazis.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    The rightward shift of the GOP and the tendency of the seemingly infinite number of spineless Dem careerist politicians to seek compromise is very real, but please remember the 90s and 2000s, everyone. They were not as rosy and left-wing as you remember; while not nearly enough, the Dems are notably more left than they were then.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    In the larger picture the rightward trend is kind of true on economic fronts.

    But yeah, since the 90s we've slowly moved left.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Since the 90s we've moved left economically as well. The 90s were where the Dems had their massive neoliberal shift, after all. Not hard to be more left than THAT.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Can you please explain what you mean exactly by "economic fronts?" Do you mean there are specific things they're further right on than before, or that they're further right on the economy as a whole? If the latter: what issues are you accounting for, and how are you turning their stances into a clean metric?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    I mean taxing the rich and a livable minimum wage used to be acceptable. But due to the rightward slide, the tax rate from most of the 20th century and livable single income minimum wages would be considered radical now.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago

    The Overton Window is set in an abandoned lot. The house burned down a long time ago.

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    This fails to recognize that for a very long time things trended left. I remember talking to someone in the 90s and we went down a list of major issues and the left had essentially won on all of them. Roe vs Wade EPA Gay Marriage Welfare Reform and Child Tax Credits

    My hope for the Democratic party is that they go to a single issue for the next National election, and that issue should be Anti-trust/Breaking up monopolies

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    That's an important issue, but if Democrats ever see power again, it'll be important to focus on re-enfranchisement (RCV, instant runoff, or anything fairer than FPTP; NPVIC; national mail voting; mandatory voting), on judicial reform to undo the corruption and incompetence that has been packed there. Without those, keeping any gains will be impossible.

    Then, triaging existential threats is critical, which will mean fighting climate change, investing in public transport (trains), and breaking up trusts will have to be pursued simultaneously. Stopping any support for genocide needs to happen as soon as possible.

    There will be plenty more structural changes to fix beyond that: Protecting whistleblowers and protesters, improving FOIA, replacing norms with laws (Emoluments Clause enforcement, financial records disclosure, no insider trading for Congressmembers, &c), and all manner of civil rights protections and police reform.

    After all that, it'll be time for the stuff I've been hoping for: nationalizing healthcare and Internet access, and copyright reform.

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    just playin' the long game. won't be long now and it will loop around to the far left.

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    [–] 6 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    This could mean that there’s room on the left for a brand new party.

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    [–] 5 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Frankly the people are the ones moving further to the right because the state does not educate them and regulate corporate power, transforming the public into a myopic panicked herd.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    That's actually false. When it comes to policy preferences, the actual electorate swings pretty far left compared to the right wing and far right parties they can choose between. Universal health care, parental leave, paid sick leave, higher minimum wage all enjoy broad and firm popular support, and neither party is even talking about this.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    !! yea

    always important to remember that the electorate’s preference in policy has only a loose relationship to who they vote for. this air gap is where most elections are fought, where strong messaging tightens the gap and messaging failures loosen it. the 2024 presidential election had a hella loose connection between party and people.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    /genuine question, asides from the obvious of republicans adopting left policy, what would have to happen for another party switch to occur?

    like, i know it happened once. wondering what circumstances and context brought that about and if that’s even a realistic framing to think about today’s world?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There is also the Whig party for reference. They were one of the two parties until they refused to take a meaningful stance on slavery. They were the 'bipartisanship states rights solves it' party versus the 'pro-slavery' party.

    There is no longer a Whig party and the slavery party went to war over a decade or so after the anti slavery parry formed.

    So there's that alternative to Party switch.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    I agree. I think we're at the stage where the Democrats are the Whig party. They aren't going to change, they need to be replaced with a true progressive party.

    Assuming that we continue to be as much of a democracy as we were, now might be the time for that replacement to happen.

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