askchapo

It bothers me when “comrades” do not know their enemy. I’ve even seen lemmygradders lump in different groups in a more problematic manner. Investigate how the defenders of capital conceptualize and distinguish themselves. Self crit.

There's significant overlap, but a lot of anti-abortion people are part of the evangelical bloc, they mostly wouldn't be PUAs and wouldn't appreciate absentee fathers (because they like the "nuclear family". I agree with your interpretation.

Most liberals seem to have very little appreciation for the variety there is in ideologies. This goes someway to explaining horseshoe theory, because it's a similar sort of crass erasure of differences between opposition camps.

Both are misogynist power fantasies and in that way they're very linked. I don't think the anti-abortion social conservatives actually hold those beliefs beyond their heteronormative / misogynistic justification and power so the distinction between the two groups is fluid with context. You probably got downvoted because it was construed as a defense of either or both though.

Now we get to talk about Freud! Hooray.

So Freud was wrong about a lot of things, but he did pick up on the "vibes" of one particular sort of pathetic manchild. That is, his idea of the "Madonna/removed" complex fits these people very well. They both expect women to be perfect ideal virgins who never do anything wrong and debased "removed" who will fulfill their every sexual desire without hesitation. This creates a lot of cognitive dissonance, and they usually resolve it by focusing heavily on one side of their sexual pathology or the other.

In other words, they are functionally the same group because they basically want exactly the same thing as each other, women who have no agency and are just sex objects for men to use.

I think the mistake you're making here is believing that those people have coherent views. With enough mental gymnastics and/or a complete disinterest in analyzing the way you see the world, it is absolutely possible to end up finding that sort of meme funny while also being against the right to abortion.

And if you look at it from the perspective of someone who sees women as inherently inferior, it becomes perfectly rational.

in some technical sense, yes they are not the same people, there is a Venn diagram that is not a circle, and it is not close to being a circle, and the borders are also blurry, and you've already over-simplified the categorizations of belief systems between those groups.

However, it does seem to me that you're attempting to bring awareness of the distinction where:

• in context, it's not that important of a distinction. It's a meme, not a wikipedia article.
• maybe most users do know, but find it annoying/derailing to point out
• you're not a principled social conservative attempting to claim he should attempt to marry her, so defending the distinction might come off as non-genuine
• might give off sealioning/wrecker/concern troll vibes

I think that historically you'd have been right about one particular type of guy, the chauvinist libertine who was broadly pro-liberation in general but in a very selfish and fickle way where he must be the most liberated and coddled and no one may ever tell him no, but that over the past 10-15 years that type of guy has almost entirely been subsumed into the foaming morass of secular fascists and hypocritical theocrats. Yesterday's chauvinist libertine misogynists are today's fascist treatlords who are easily led about by anyone telling them women are threatening their personal treats and so have been converted entirely into rabid reactionaries.

This is a difference in semantics and aesthetics, not ideology

The differences are much smaller than you think. Sexual predators will often force women to get abortions, sure, but it's actually just a manifestation of the same misogynistic impulse to control women's bodies.

There are true believers in the anti-abortion sphere, so like your conservative evangelical types, but many others it's just about controling women's bodies and they don't actually care about the fetus. Predators are the same, but want a different kind of control.

But sure, there are differences.

Liberals are busy lashing out at every group that they think they deserve votes from without giving anything in return.

“Huh? No, I don’t think that’s accurate. This is not a meme that anti-abortion social conservatives would find funny. This is a meme for ‘players’ who are misogynist in a lot of other ways, but generally support legal abortion.”

It's different offshoots but I feel like the root cause for both is controlling women(s bodies).

Now I wouldn't trust either mentioned subreddit to have that sort of analysis on account of why would you and just blurring everything together into it's all the same does, at least for me, miss how I'd say traditional anti-abortion conservatives and the PUA-Dipshits attract a very different sort of people.

Also honestly i'm not sure there isn't some sort of RETVRN to the traditional values of cheating on your trad wife all the time á la Don Draper.