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I flew for the first time on a plane last week and I've seen planes take off at the airport. It looks crazy. But being on one is totally different like holy shit. The thing just FLIES. It just.... Soars... Through the sky! Like whoa man. Wtf... It's crazy. With how much these things weigh, it's insane to me the thing can just go up and bam, there we are, we're flying now. Like wow... Dude crazy.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You think that's crazy? The ship that blocked the Suez Canal, the Ever Given, has a ship displacement (how much water is displaced when it sits in the ocean) of 265,000 Tons.

That's 240 million kilograms.

And that shit just floats on fucking water maaaaan...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Since when 1000kg is not equal to one tonne?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There are tons of tons, believe it or not.

There's the short ton (2000lbs), long ton (2240 lbs), and tonne (1000kgs) which are all measure weight. However there's also the shipping/freight/ocean ton which is a measure of volume (which is also different in the US and UK), and the register ton.

However I did make a mistake. The wikipedia page I was reading said the weight in t and long tons. I made the mistake of assuming they meant short tons - in reality when measuring displacement for a ship, tonnes are used (which is pretty sensible, considering you're displacing water and a liter of water to a kilogram of water have a pretty easy conversion formula formula...)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I see, the common "Americans will use anything but SI", but in this case it's also the Brits lol

Thanks for explanation

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

This guy tons.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Ton (imperial) is 2000lb vs tonne (metric)

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (9 children)

I hate that everybody's like, it's not that big a deal.

We only started doing it 124 years ago! Prior to that it was a very big deal indeed.

Everyone's so fucking smart these days, there's no room for a sense of wonder. It's like being blasé and knowledgeable is cool. It's really not.

You keep flying with your beautiful sense of wonder, Buttflapper!

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 days ago (5 children)

it works because we believe in it. if everyone would lose faith in airplanes, they'd drop out of the sky.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Can I just lose faith in the private jets?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

And will it fly higher if we have the Faith of the Heart?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

WhhaaahhhHH!!!

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Dafuq is this!? Stress testing?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

No, every once in a while the planes need to stretch out. They get tired from being so stiff. This helps their joints later in their life span.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

Basically. The wings have to be able to bend that much so they don’t break off in strong winds or hard maneuvers.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Wait until you find out about electricity! 🤯

[–] [email protected] 53 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Computers is teachibg rocks to think

[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 days ago (6 children)

We grow flawless crystals, slice them into perfect disks, engrave billions of arcane runes onto them with magical potions and rays of light, animate them with lightning, and make them do our bidding.

And then we give them an "intelligence" that can't even count the Rs in strawberry...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago

I think we're doing pretty fucking well, all things considered.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago

By filling them with lightning

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Airplane engines have deceptively high thrust, imagine each one as a rocket and it'll start to make sense. The a380 (the big double decker) each engine produces around 350KN. When that thrust is applied to an 80kg human they'll experience almost 450Gs of force

In an extreme sense, imagine putting a little rocket engine on a paper airplane which will represent a high thrust to weight ratio

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Your last description is essentially the idea behind the F-117a. That thing ~~isn't~~ wasn't flying, ~~it's~~ it was achieving escape velocity.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 5 days ago (14 children)

I used to think so until I realised that air and water are both fluids, except air is thinner.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 days ago (1 children)

To be clear to anyone with minds being blown: air is gas and gas is a type of fluid. Water is liquid and liquid is also a type of fluid.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago

... gas is a type of fluid.

that goes a long way in explaining some of those farts.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm a mechanical engineer and have a general understanding of how wings work. I've flown many times. That shit still feels like magic to me.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I was most impressed by the sheer amount of power those engines put out when you finally take off. The acceleration gave me a boost of adrenaline when I flew for the first time (it was a Southwest Boeing 737)

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

The 777 is 375-ish tons, and the A380 is 630-ish tons.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I know right.... the wings dont even flap!

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I find it equally neat how displacement allows a 100,000 ton ship to float.

As I'm sure most know, planes fly because of the angle of their wings and airframe shape (also known as an airfoil). As moving air flows over the wing it creates downward pressure, which, as a result of Newton's 3rd law (reaction to a force), allows moving air below to create lift. And upsy daisy she goes.

Science.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

That lift explanation is innacurate/incomplete. While there may be some equal and opposite forces depending on the angle of attack, the primary reason for lift is due to Bernoulli's Principle. Airfoils have a rounded upper surface with a longer path for air to take, relative to the underside. This requires air to move at a higher velocity over the top, and since A1 x V1 x P1 = A2 x V2 x P2, pressure over the airfoil decreases. It is this pressure differential that creates lift.

In regards to aircraft, Newton's third law of motion applies to thrust from a propeller or jet engine.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Don't forget how high you get.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Last time I flew I didn't get high at all. I must be doing something wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

"It's just always exciting! That amazing moment when twelve tonnes of metal leaves the earth... and no-one knows why!"

"Yes, we do."

"Yeah, but, you know, not really. I mean, we know you need wings, and engines, and a sticky-up bit on the end for some reason, but it's not like we actually know why a plane stays in the air."

"No. No, Arthur, we really do! We- we do, we do know that!"

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I still look up whenever u hear a plane fly over. Heavier than air travel is treated way to casually

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Consider the amount of air its wings must displace in order to stay aloft. An equal quantity of mass at least. It's passing through that air and, partly pushing it down, but also partially scraping it thin over the bowed top surface of the wing (the Bernoulli principle) which creates a pressure differential that lifts the wing, pulling it upward through suction, and thus the plane. That's why the plane must go fast to fly, and why it "stalls" and falls if it isn't moving through enough air. It's also how turbulence affects a plane. Differences in air pressure mean that in pockets of low pressure there isn't as much mass being displaced by the wings, not enough lift so it falls.

Now, it's quite likely that my layman's comprehension of this is flawed. But I'm sure it's entirely possible that someone will correct me soon :3

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (4 children)

It’s magical, right? It’s what got me interested in aviation - the physics, the science, the engineering to make it work. And we’ve gotten so good at it, air travel is now available to most people, it’s safe and convenient.

I’ve flown exactly three times in my life: a hot air balloon, a helicopter and a DC3. Each was magical in its own way. I’ve also done a fair bit of plane spotting. Seeing an Airbus A380 landing right in front of you is amazing. It really is the size of a large apartment block with wings. Truly awe inspiring.

Aviation is fucking awesome!

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

The wings are crazy ! They look way too flimsy for what they do.

Next time you see an airplane, imagine a crane picking it up by the wings, around the middle of the wing length, and then start shaking it up.

It does not look like the wing will be able to hold that much weight.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

An a380 is so big when it takes off it looks like it's moving slow, just kind of hanging in the air

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

It's simple. You just need 60 tons of lift and thrust. Aerodynamics help but you can make a brick fly.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Glitch that's going to be patched out eventually

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

I'm even more impressed by aircraft carriers. Just one of those things weigh as much as 250 fully loaded Boeing 747s. And it just floats. :)

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"I flew for my first time on a plane"

Now I just feel old.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I didn't fly on a plane until i was nearly 30. Dont know if you are in the US, but outside of the US, it's less common to fly anywhere. high speed rail between countries in europe, UK is small enough to drive anywhere, boats and eurostar train to get from UK to Europe. Euro tunnel if you want to take your car to europe.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

Crazier to think 60tons of air being pushed down 10m/s^2 (or whatever equivalent mass/acc you want to think with) to keep it up there.

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