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Considering last night's results, I don't expect NATO to be credible 4 years from now (sh.itjust.works)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Hopefully the EU takes over. It has a lot more economic strength then NATO. Also the UK is strong as well, but that can be managed. Turkey does its own things anyway and I would not trust them. Norway and Iceland are not that important. Canada is going to go with the US anyway. The advantage is easier common funding for projects, due to the EU having more direct access to money. There are also a lot of the basics in the works already.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 27 minutes ago

Norway and Iceland are crucial to European defense - what are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

Nato without USA is still bigger military than Russia.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

But with a fraction of the nukes, which is the actual big stick part of NATO

[–] [email protected] 2 points 26 minutes ago

It took two nukes for Japan to wave the white flag. Do we really need 5,000+ nukes for anything? France has 290 and UK has 225. Thats enough to wipe one or multiple countries clean off of the map without any form of surrender.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 hours ago

In the game of nukes you don’t really need many.

You can destroy the world just so many times.

The rest is just for showing who has it bigger (the arsenal)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

A lot of that is because rest of NATO is under US umbrella. Not like nukes are high tech at this point. Most of Europe could get nukes real fast if they wanted, but everyone has been better served by it being to many Nuclear Powers up to this point

[–] [email protected] 1 points 26 minutes ago

And I expect they will get nukes real fast. Ukraine is probably going to go for that, tbh. It’s kinda their only option at this point.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

But are we bringing nukes to a biological warfare... umm... party? Or hell, AI drones/nanobots?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

Yep, and thankfully the EU has seen the way the US is going and started to react appropriately.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

NATO will kick us to the curb and rise to the challenge. We will need them one day and they will say no.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 hours ago

I think that’s unlikely.

But I also thought Trump winning was unlikely,

So what do I know?

[–] [email protected] 96 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (56 children)

Good job to all of the fucks who stayed home because of Gaza, thinking that not voting and letting the GOP rise to power would actually help the situation.

Yeah, because Netanyahu's extreme right-wing policy was a problem with the US's left-wing party, right?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

I doubt Gaza was the deciding factor for 20 million people, but I could be wrong. Especially since anyone that aware of the whole would see trump would worsen the situation not improve it. I'm curious why they did stay home.

I also guess Americans don't want a woman president and they do want a hard crackdown on migrants. Especially Latinos, who apparently overwhelmingly came out for trump.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I also guess Americans don’t want a woman president and they do want a hard crackdown on migrants. Especially Latinos, who apparently overwhelmingly came out for trump.

Latinos voting for hard crackdowns on immigrants is the biggest "fuck you, I've got mine" energy I've ever seen.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 hours ago

And they will be so fucking shocked when ice comes for them.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

By far, the overwhelming Biden derangement syndrome factor was "transgenders exist and are in my news feed". That healthcare is available to prisoners and immigrants, means that they are all receiving gender reassignment surgeries. This is democrats fault.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The fact people can't differentiate edge cases from the norm is a general education issue. But their pushback was anemic.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 hour ago

General education in the US is underfunded on purpose. It's how the right have won on every issue that counts. Distracted, lazy, frightened and greedy. These are the levers the media pull to get whatever the billionaires want to happen. They tried it with Smedley Butler way back when and learned their lesson. Have the dumbass voter just do what they want with outrage. It doesn't matter who's president or who's in Congress. It matters what's on the news and who they can pay to put it there. The rest falls into place.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago

It wasn't deciding factor at all. People get far too internet poisoned and fail to realize how the median voter is actually motivated in this country. Foreign policy is nearly irrelevant to most voters.

If there is any validity to the idea that Harris' position on gaza tanked the campaign it's in the motivated active base lost interest in giving their time, sweat, and energy to putting boots on the ground for someone that has made every promise to continue bombing children.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 hours ago

Millions of people stayed home. I really doubt Gaza was the reason for all of them.

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[–] [email protected] 149 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (9 children)

I mean if Europe wants to increase their military funding and move items in house I think that would be a wonderful idea. Because America is not a reliable partner in this at all in the past two decades.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

The problem is that America has all the money.

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