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[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I've never agreed with the professor more than I do now. At least he actually has the option!

[–] [email protected] 263 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (25 children)

Yeah, I'm giving up after this.

The Democratic party just can't deal with the stupidity and racism that is the American population.

I mean for fucks sake, Black and Latino voters increased their votes for Trump this time around.

Just time to hang up the hat and let America burn.

Also:

Biden got 81,282,916 votes

Harris got 66,153,556 votes

Americans didn't even bother to show up and now we have a Republicans in control of all three branches again. Yeah, there's no saving this democracy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Today is a dark day. But, I will say this...

When the world gets dark, new lights often appear. It's a funny thing, but good people tend to be quiet and reserved. It's the anger of the patient person, and the good people pushed too far, that often can incite the most change. As Mr. Rogers' mother famously told him - look for the helpers when you see scary things unfold.

It's time for the helpers.

I hope everyone reading this understands what this means. We must help now. Don't look for the helpers, because we aren't children, as Fred Roger's once was...

Protect the people around you, especially the vulnerable and those at the most risk. Do it at the cost of your safety and well-being.

Cruelty has won a great battle today, but it can't win the war without a fight.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Tough times make tough people

Tough people make easy times.

Easy times make weak people.

Weak people make tough times. <--------We are here.

Tough times make Tough people <------ Your light of hope.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

Maybe a lot of Democrats also dislike women in power and black people. Maybe the American people, regardless of the party they say they support, are still very conservative. This is not an unpopular opinion outside the USA.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 hours ago (5 children)

Yes. That is the ultimate conclusion for me as well. The American people voted for racism and sexism, because they are racist and sexist. America can’t do better because this is the best we have. Trump represents conservatives. It’s really confusing because his actions aren’t conservative… but here we are.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Honestly, yeah, there would have to be a decent amount of them with almost 20 million voters who didn't show up to vote.

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Don't forget they are going to intentionally force us back to coal and oil, and stifle all transitions to cleaner energy. So really how bad could it be

[–] [email protected] 53 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Oh yeah, the world is pretty fucked here. We're at a tipping point for climate disaster.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (4 children)

Every day I look back at one day I had in 2016 when I felt like killing myself and wonder why I didn't just fucking do it.

I'm sure in ten years, I'll look back on this and... wish I had done it now.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 7 hours ago

Don't do it. We're going to need to help each other through what's coming, and I'll absolutely fight for your rights, whoever you are.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 hours ago

I wish I had been aborted. This place is a shithole and has since before I arrived.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

On the bright side, if there's no extreme corruption we won't be hearing from him starting 2029

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[–] [email protected] 163 points 13 hours ago (21 children)

Whatever you do, don't blame voters though. The only people who could possibly be at fault here are Democrats. Because voters are perfect little angels. Who can blame them for their strong desire for fascism? That's just human nature after all

[–] [email protected] 57 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (30 children)

I get it, everyone is upset that Trump won (including myself). But the voters are not solely to blame here.

Democrats put forward a candidate who lost to fascism. What does that say about your policies, your messaging, how the voters feel about you when you tell them "You have to vote for me because I'm not the other guy!"

Y'all need to accept that 1. The Democrats can grasp defeat from the jaws of victory like no one else, and 2. The American people want change, they want progress, they have had enough of the status quo system that isn't working for them anymore.

They spent the last four years living under Biden, and despite all the screeching about how well the economy was doing, Americans don't feel it. And instead of addressing that, or doing anything about it, Biden and the Democrat establishment would just point the finger at Republicans and say, "No, no, they're worse, trust us, they're worse, they're worse."

They've spent a year telling Americans, despite everything they're seeing and hearing from Palestine, that Israel needs this unconditional support, while the world votes to hold Israel accountable and the US vetos it, under a Democrat administration. Multiple times, while refusing to let any Palestinians on stage at the DNC to speak, but parading Republican after Republican because they finished licking Trump's ass and decided to give Kamala's a go. Arab and Muslim Americans organized a protest vote, over 100,000 strong in Michigan alone (which she's projected to lose, btw), and the Democrats sent Bill Clinton to lecture them on how Israel is only doing what's necessary to defend themselves.

So we've had four years of milquetoast progress at best from a candidate the Democrat's constituency already didn't like. He dropped out but didn't leave enough time for a new primary, so the Democrat Party pushed Kamala on us, and then had her run on a centrist, return-to-the-status-quo platform, while refusing to take any meaningful stand on Palestine, with their biggest policy being, "Hey, you have to vote for us because we're not fascist."

If the American people, people in general, don't feel like they're being represented, why would the feel like voting? This is a failure on the Democrats, 100%, for running platform policies and candidates that don't drive people to the polls. Say what you want about Trump, and there's plenty to say about the absolute piece of shit of a human being he is.

But he makes his voters feel listened to and heard, and Democrats may consider it regression, but Republicans get their policies done, and they show progress to their constituents. Democrats get nothing done, usually due to Republican fuckery, but the Republicans don't face similar fuckery, so the average voter doesn't care, they just see one wide getting their agenda accomplished and the other not.

So now I pose this question to you, and I'm genuinely asking, this isn't an "I gotcha, I am so smart!"

If a person doesn't feel represented by their government regardless of who's in power, and your life doesn't drastically improve under either candidate, well... What difference does it make which form of government is fucking you over?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

You can say this but when a republican policy is "drill for more oil" and a democratic policy is "focus on clean energy," one is easier, cheapens prices, and has readily apparent effects. Many democrat policies are long term goals that people won't notice, and might even hurt them in the short term, but they need to be done. Medicare will increase taxes, supporting Ukraine and not taking Russian oil increases prices, and most people agree these policies are good things. Yet what is the biggest complaint under Biden? Skyrocketing inflation, because the average voter doesn't care about policy they just care how it affects their lives.

You're asking for an impossible solution if you want the party of "this is a hard decision but will benefit us all in the future" to have the same draw as "here's cheaper prices NOW, we'll ignore the future." Not to mention as you already said republicans will block any and all attempts at real change. It's completely unfair that even if 90% of a democrat candidate's platform is beneficial, that's not good enough since they don't have the short-term effects to wow people with. If democratic policies reduced prices and republican policies increased them (say, swap the stances on oil and climate), we could have a literal potato as the candidate and people would run to vote for it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I've written a lot of comments this morning, and I don't remember which one's I've said what in, so I apologize if I'm repeating something.

I understand what you're saying, it's not fair that the Democrats have an unrealistic standard compared to the Republicans. But the Democrats have to figure that out and get over it, and they're just not.

I'm seeing a lot of polls now showing the biggest factor for Americans voting was the economy. The economy has, verifiably, improved under Biden, and I will not argue against that.

But polls also consistently show that, despite the improved economy, Americans don't feel it. And that's the problem: the Dems were presented this information (Americans don't feel better under this economy), and just kept doubling down, spouting metrics that mean nothing to the average American.

I think in response to the economy polling, Harris trotted out the $15/hr minimum wage increase. In our political hellscape, that's a progressive policy. But it's 10 years too late... Minimum wage should be around $26/hr if it was (and should be) tied to inflation, the magic buzzword everyone has on their mind. But they're not campaigning on $26/hr, they're barely campaigning on $15/hr.

Someone in another thread pointed out bodily autonomy and how much worse it would get under Trump. Fair enough, but what has Biden shown the American people he's done about bodily autonomy in the last 4 years? Why wasn't it enshrined into law at any point during the decades since the initial Roe ruling? Why should voters believe Democrats are actually going to do it this time and not continue using abortion as a campaign tool?

You and I both know the answers to all of the questions above are not black and white, their answers range from the complexity of different administrations to the limited power within the executive branch to Democrats lacking a political majority outside of a few months every couple decades, etc. I get that, but even I'm tired of it being an excuse, and the average American doesn't even consider the excuse. They just don't care: they see their money worth less, their paycheck barely increasing to match inflation most years, and laws not being passed.

On the flip side, Trump got a lot done in his first four years, regardless of whatever legal obstacles got in his way. This flies in the face of our constitution and the very rule of law and is a direct threat to our democracy.....

.... But he got things done. No one can deny that, Trump got things done, and he did things his base wanted him to. As much as Trump hates his base, he at least panders to them, and if he doesn't support them, he shows faux support, which is good enough. He represents the worst of humanity, is a serial rapist, convicted felon, racist, misogynist, sexist, xenophobic, transphobic, homophobic orange shit stain on the annals of history...

But he got things done, and in the eyes if the average American, Biden didn't, and Harris promised 4 more years of the same. So voters stayed home, and it is 100% the Democrats fault.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You've said a lot here that I agree with, but ultimately the responsibility is on the voters to be competent, critical thinkers that at least attempt to be informed. And they (we) are not. But unfortunately this just appears to be an entropy point built into our current system. And it facilitates one party over the other. Republicans are an ideologically unified authoritarian block that denies critical and strategic thinking in its platform and is structured only to identify problems but not sustainable solutions. They've always been this. The current Democratic party, otoh, is a big tent party focused on long term solution plans to nuanced problems and has many stakeholders that are ideologically opposed such that actual compromise may be fundamentally impossible. I honestly don't know if this CAN be overcome. It's a tough spot to be in. What i do know is that the next 4 years, at a minimum, are going to be mad dash of regulatory capture and federal collapse the likes we haven't seen since the 20s.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 hours ago (16 children)

What difference does it make which form of government is fucking you over?

Democrats wanted to incrementally improve things. Republicans wanted to round us up into camps.

Voters had an opportunity to prevent a christo-fascist dictatorship and they didn't take it. Moving things to the left in this country has always involved voting. Losing our democracy doesn't improve the Democratic Party. If there is another election, which we can't count on, Democrats are going to learn that they need to move further to the right to pick up votes. They've done it before, and they will do it again. They will look at the conservatives who voted and tailor a party platform for them.

Democrats could not care less about appealing to nonvoters or third party voters. They only care about winning, which is probably part of why they suck at it.

Voting should be a mechanical choice during elections. If people want better candidates, organize, and do the work to get grassroots movements off the ground between elections.

Instead of picking a strategy based on a subjective morality people should consider analyzing strategies based on their utility.

If a strategy advances a goal it's useful. If it doesn't, it's not. Voting for the Democrats demonstrates a wider voting base for them to move to the left. Moving Democrats to the left is the goal so this strategy is useful. Protest voting takes votes away from the Democrats so they look for voters on the right. This accomplishes the opposite of the goal so this strategy is not useful.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 hours ago (15 children)

Why don't you guys start a revolution against first-past-the-post? Fascism has far less power that way.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 hours ago

If we are at the point of solution by revolution, I think our aims should be higher than just first past the post...

[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately only the calm and sane people are upset, and it's harder to whip us into a full revolution.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 hours ago

The elites have been studying for decades. They now know exactly how far they can push us before we fight back. That's why inequality is worse now than before the French revolution, but nothing has changed. They've learned how to prevent us from revolting.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

We had ranked-choice-voting at the State level on the ballot here in Oregon and voters rejected it by about 60%.

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