After giving in to Putin/Xi's demands to not provide starlink internet service over Taiwan, DOD officials are growing nervous about trusting Elon's Space company with our national secrets

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[–] 184 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Aw man, if only there was some sort of space administration that you could invest some of your trillions of dollars into so that your satellites could be launched by a group that you can monitor and trust.

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  • [–] 97 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Nope, everything in the US must be privatized. EVERYTHING. Capitalism DEMANDS it

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    To be fair here... The old guard still aren't working on reuse even after SpaceX not only championed it but actually succeeded and proved reliability.

    The old launch providers are still just throwing their shit away and still cost billions of dollars for launches.

    The Commercial Resupply Service and Commercial Crew Programs have also achieved better standards than NASA had when they started them, and at much cheaper cost than the previous solutions.

    Privatisation isn't inherently bad, and importantly, the money is still being handled through NASA for oversight.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    the money is still being handled through NASA for oversight.

    Oversight of the money is far from the problem here. This is not an issue of cheating the government or mismanagement of money, this is a national security issue.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    this is a national security issue.

    In some ways, SpaceX delivered too well.

    NASA has been trying to find multiple launch providers but where are they? This is probably not the risk reduction they were going for but it is exactly risk that can be reduced by having multiple providers. However SpaceX succeeded well enough to dominate the field, worldwide

    Where are Bozos and those other guys? Where even is ULA? Where’s that payback on NASA funding?

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  • [–] 79 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Revoke his security clearance. They did it to Oppenheimer for a lot less.

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  • [–] 59 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    In what would be an unprecedented move, the US needs to nationalize SpaceX in the name of national security.

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  • [+] 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    They should go that far though.

    This entire position that things are in are a direct result of a certain party trying to privatize space travel, and "run it like a business", which is how the Challenger disaster happened.

    So wouldn't be the worst idea to pull waayyyyyy back.

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    [+] 57 points 2 years ago (5 children)
  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    IIRC, you're supposed to report when you've had significant contact with Canadians and this motherfucker is talking with Vladimir Putin himself. I can't imagine he reported that to whoever his clearance is with.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    When I had my clearance, we were told if we had a conversation with a foreign national at a bar, we had to disclose it, even after we had already received our clearance.

    I was put through a multi-hour polygraph interview from hell, where I was told I didn't know how to breathe and was threatened with being failed and losing my clearance, because I was having issues remembering online foreign penpals from high school.

    But motherfucker is talking to Putin on the regularly, and he's a billionaire with billions worth of government contracts? Tell me again, US Government, why any of your citizens should give a fuck about anything, again?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    They haven't made you do that in while. There's way too many foreign nationals in the U.S., it would be impossible, especially in a city. The standard is ongoing contact/close personal relationships. Having a one-off conversation with a Russian at a bar isn't going to trigger the requirement unless there's something suspicious about the conversation itself (like they keep asking about your job).

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  • [–] 52 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    If you're going to rely on private firms for your aerospace espionage endeavors, maybe factor in their leader's sanity before you sign the contract with them.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Nah. Loads of things just shouldn't be privatised.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    What do you value higher - that one company's profits or the public? Why are you so selfish? Why can't you just be happy that that one company gets to hold the entire population hostage over the necessary good or service that they can then monopolise? It's so much easier to squeeze the poor for all they own when their very survival depends on the things you can hand out or hold back at a whim. Something something the free market will probably prevent abuse or something, so it's perfectly okay.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I 100% agree with you but is there someone else in thr US who can reliably launch satellites? I know several othe companies are developing these systems but I don't think any are anywhere close to Space X's reliability or capability.

    Space X is doing some awesome stuff and I hate that the awesome has to be tempered by the owner is a piece of shit.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    They're only able to do it because they've received trillions of dollars from the federal government.

    They should nationalize SpaceX before they ever let someone like Musk get the security clearance needed to be in that position.

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  • [+] 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
    [–] 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    he worships a russian asset. dont give him any access to defense

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago

    Yet another reason billionaires shouldn’t exist. Dude is making international policy based on requests from foreign leaders, along with having conversations with them while launching the US government’s satellites of national security importance.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago

    They should be, it's a spectacularly bad idea.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    Just outsource DOD too, they basically work for their main sponsors anyway.

    /s

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    why the hell would you be?

    What even is the DOD/DOJ doing here?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    In his defense, the GOP also answers to Putin, so it makes sense he would too.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Satellite internet already existed way, way before Starlink. You know, good satellite internet where you have a single geostationary satellite giving you high speed instead of these small Leo ones that will fall out of orbit within a decade...

    Why would Taiwan even need Starlink?

    Having said that: fuck Musk, and yeah, they should never have allowed this dumb ass anywhere near rockets

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The traditional satellite internet is slow and high latency. With the Starlink approach, it is indeed an issue that the satellites need to be continuously replaced, but it does provide a superior service to the user, and combined with SpaceX often launching them "almost free" by piggybacking on free space around their customer's payloads and not having to pay anyone for launches otherwise, it does come out cheaper than the old satellite internet.

    But that's just the technology. The fact Musk is anywhere near that project makes Starlink a liability.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    The vast majority of starlink are launched on their own flights.

    They get a few freebies here and there but it's not the defining factor of their success.

    The success is their reusable rockets and turning satellites into a smaller mass manufactured item amd getting economies of scale, not a giant super expensive item.

    Edit: also they made reusable rockets then had to figure out a use for them as there wasn't enough global launch demand. They made their own demand. Then they used their own flights to test riskier things like the rockets with the most launches to fine tune the system without risking customer payloads.

    Edit: Also for reference launch masses and dish costs

    • Hughesnet JUPITER 3 (EchoStar XXIV) has a launch mass of 9200kg. ($445 million)
    • Starlink V1 is 260kg (200k USD)
    • Starlink V2 Mini (current) 740kg (800k USD)
    • Starlink V2 (future satellites for starship) 1250kg (??? USD)

    And obviously the Jupiter 3 will stay up there forever so they can recoup costs if starlink doesn't kill them, but thats a lot higher up front cost and they aren't making a lot of them so they don't get efficiencies of scale. Instead they're made with very custom stuff meant to last forever which costs big $$$.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Old sat internet is not high speed unless you have your own private sat and are willing to spend crazy amounts of money and they suffer from very high latency. I’m a musk hater but starlink preforms pretty well. My dream is that the US will nationalize spacex and remove musks influence. Nothing but a cancer

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago*

    Wtf is this article? If there’s a doubt about someone’s national security clearance, revoke it immediately until further review. Being anxious means nothing. Do or don’t.

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