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The friend who radicalized me is now begging me to vote for Harris (hexbear.net)

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He got me to read the Manifesto and would have hours' long debates with our social-democratic roommate and now this. It's really shaking me up a bit.

He is on the whole defeatist 'nothing will fundamentally shake the imperial machine so might as well pick the wardog with better domestic policies' tip. I want to get through to him but I am getting stuck.

For example:

i also refuse to not vote my conscience but i figured this time its not like doing this abstract process to pick if id prefer -100 points vs -200 points is gonna matter that much if i genuinely believe itll even be slightly better under kamala i might as well

kitty-birthday-sad

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

I hope I am shot in the head immediately if I ever debase myself like this. your friend is dead inside already

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

Radicalize them

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

It really doesn't matter who he votes or doesn't vote for. Everybody is anxious for reasons good and bad. Just let him do what he wants. He'll probably feel dumb about it later. I won't vote for her, and I'll tell people why, but I don't tell them not to either.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He is on the whole defeatist 'nothing will fundamentally shake the imperial machine so might as well pick the wardog with better domestic policies' tip.

I'd throw that right back as the reason you aren't voting lmao!

Why get worked up if nothing is fundamentally going to change?

Because, sniff, they ideologically do act as though things can change zizek-ok

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

it's the domestic policies bit, the logic is that the left can't do anything and if they try to ask for different foreign policies it'll achieve nothing. so they are voting for a more comfortable position in the imperial core because they think it's impossible to affect the comfort of those outside of it (defeatism when it comes to anti-imperialist policies)

logic can't break people out of that brain prison because the defeatism is emotional, it's an internalized helplessness created from decades of violent repression of the left

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wouldn't try to "defeat" his defeatism, but show his defeatism can't infect you. He wants to feel better about capitulating which is why he is trying to bring you into the fold. Whatever he chooses to do, that is on him. His argument isn't going to convince you, and say as much.

Besides, if he is so convinced for top-cop will bring better domestic policies he should go doorknocking, because 50% of the electorate does not vote. If he really thinks her domestic policies will work, he should have no problem convincing non-voters.

And just for the sake of the bit...

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Banging the sign again...

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previously... previously... previously... previously... previously... previously... previously...

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What are you trying to accomplish?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I just want him back j.j I am trying to counter-program him I guess. He already voted so it's a moot point.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

He has capitulated to this shithole society and is a knowing supporter of the genocide. It's one thing to be politically ignorant about what's going on in Gaza, but he has no excuse. He knows that the IOF is beheading Palestinian children with bombs and he is still going to support the party who gave the IOF the bombs anyways. This is betrayal. All that doomer nonsense is just that: nonsense. If he was a true doomer, he wouldn't bother voting. He would just be like my dad who last voted in the 2000 election and completely checked out from politics since then (his politics suck, so that's a good thing). George Carlin in his later years when he mocked people who wasted their time voting saying that he got more to show for it by beating his meat could be said to be a doomer. Your friend is just a polite supporter of genocide.