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[–] [email protected] 3 points 24 minutes ago

I wish more teachers and academics would do this, because I"m seeing too many cases of "That one student I pegged as not so bright because my class is in the morning and they're a night person, has just turned in competent work. They've gotta be using ChatGPT, time to report them for plagurism. So glad that we expell more cheaters than ever!" and similar stories.

Even heard of a guy who proved he wasn't cheating, but was still reported anyway simply because the teacher didn't want to look "foolish" for making the accusation in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 hours ago

For those that didn't see the rest of this tweet, Frankie Hawkes is in fact a dog. A pretty cute dog, for what it's worth.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 hours ago

Ah yes, pollute the prompt. Nice. Reminds me of how artists are starting to embed data and metadata in their pieces that fuck up AI training data.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Easily by thwarted by simply proofreading your shit before you submit it

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Is it? If ChatGPT wrote your paper, why would citations of the work of Frankie Hawkes raise any red flags unless you happened to see this specific tweet? You'd just see ChatGPT filled in some research by someone you hadn't heard of. Whatever, turn it in. Proofreading anything you turn in is obviously a good idea, but it's not going to reveal that you fell into a trap here.

If you went so far as to learn who Frankie Hawkes is supposed to be, you'd probably find out he's irrelevant to this course of study and doesn't have any citeable works on the subject. But then, if you were doing that work, you aren't using ChatGPT in the first place. And that goes well beyond "proofreading".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

This should be okay to do. Understanding and being able to process information is foundational

[–] [email protected] -1 points 59 minutes ago* (last edited 58 minutes ago)

LLMs can't cite. They don't know what a citation is other than a collection of text of a specific style

You'd be lucky if the number of references equalled the number of referenced items even if you were lucky enough to get real sources out of an LLM

If the student is clever enough to remove the trap reference, the fact that the other references won't be in the University library should be enough to sink the paper

[–] [email protected] 47 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

There are professional cheaters and there are lazy ones, this is gonna get the lazy ones.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 hours ago

I wouldn't call "professional cheaters" to the students that carefully proofread the output. People using chatgpt and proofreading content and bibliography later are using it as a tool, like any other (Wikipedia, related papers...), so they are not cheating. This hack is intended for the real cheaters, the ones that feed chatgpt with the assignment and return whatever hallucination it gives to you without checking anything else.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 10 hours ago

Btw, this is an old trick to cheat the automated CV processing, which doesn't work anymore in most cases.

[–] [email protected] 107 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (9 children)

I like to royally fuck with chatGPT. Here's my latest, to see exactly where it draws the line lol:

https://chatgpt.com/share/671d5d80-6034-8005-86bc-a4b50c74a34b

TL;DR: your internet connection isn't as fast as you think

[–] [email protected] 88 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (6 children)

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the hiway.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Ages ago, there was a time where my dad would mail back up tapes for offsite storage because their databases were large enough that it was faster to put it through snail mail.

It should also be noted his databases were huge, (they’d be bundled into 70 pound packages and shipped certified.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Just a couple of years ago I was sent a dataset by mail, around 1TB on a hard drive.

Later I worked on visualization of large datasets, we didn't have the space to store them locally because they were up to a PB.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

We’re storing data in peanut butter? Please tell me there’s jam involved.

/j it’s amazing we’re talking about petabytes. My first computer had like 600 meg. (Pentium 486 cobbled out of spare- old- parts from my dad’s ~~junk~~”Parts” rack.)

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

Peregrine falcons FTL…

(There’s this fat fucker that hunts off our building’s rooftop. It waits for a pigeon to strike the neighboring buildings windows and scoops them up. Some how it’s reassuring to know that humans aren’t the only lazy animals. Peregrine are freaking cool though.)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I'm laughing my ass off at this

Edit:

https://chatgpt.com/share/671da57b-5fe4-8005-bdba-68b69f398c72

Still fucking amazing

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[–] [email protected] 112 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Just takes one student with a screen reader to get screwed over lol

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 hours ago

Presumably the teacher knows which students would need that, and accounts for it.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

A human would likely ask the professor who is Frankie Hawkes.. later in the post they reveal Hawkes is a dog. GPT just hallucinate something up to match the criteria.

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[–] [email protected] 118 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

actually not too dumb lol

[–] [email protected] 80 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

I think most students are copying/pasting instructions to GPT, not uploading documents.

[–] [email protected] 106 points 14 hours ago (9 children)

Right, but the whitespace between instructions wasn't whitespace at all but white text on white background instructions to poison the copy-paste.

Also the people who are using chatGPT to write the whole paper are probably not double-checking the pasted prompt. Some will, sure, but this isnt supposed to find all of them its supposed to catch some with a basically-0% false positive rate.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 13 hours ago (16 children)

My college workflow was to copy the prompt and then "paste without formatting" in Word and leave that copy of the prompt at the top while I worked, I would absolutely have fallen for this. :P

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Something I saw from the link someone provided to the thread, that seemed like a good point to bring up, is that any student using a screen reader, like someone visually impaired, might get caught up in that as well. Or for that matter, any student that happens to highlight the instructions, sees the hidden text, and doesnt realize why they are hidden and just thinks its some kind of mistake or something. Though I guess those students might appear slightly different if this person has no relevant papers to actually cite, and they go to the professor asking about it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 hours ago

They would quickly learn that this person doesn't exist (I think it's the professor's dog?), and ask the prof about it.

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